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  2. You can have chaos at the ports and a massive hit to the economy at the same time! that's the beauty of brexit
  3. I'm not suggesting or claiming bias Gareth in fact I explicitly said there is none. I just took the opportunity to wish the "mods" in general a happy holiday as I thought they might be away at this time of year. Clearly in your case I was wrong.😀
  4. I know there is no bias here because we have been told so. If some others had made such a remark the mods would have jumped on them. I can only assume that there is a reason and therefore wish the mods a happy, well deserved break. 🤨
  5. In Trelaze, a suburb of Angers, they organise a festival of free concerts every summer. Over the last 5 years I've seen Simple Minds, Tom Jones, Status Quo, UB40, Gloria Gaynor, The Stranglers and The Village People. Tomorrow night it's The Jacksons and the festival closes on Saturday with the Swedish rock group Europe. Whether the socialist mayor who organises the event did it on purpose or doesn't actually understand what they are singing, I don't know, but The Final Countdown does seem extraordinarily prescient. You are all welcome to come and join in the fun because, as I said, it's free (as you will soon be too)! 😉 Ed.
  6. We're all doomed of course............you do all know that don't you?
  7. Sorry I don't agree with what you say either. We're not talking about Calais. France, Belgium, Holland & Spain will have the same hard customs border with the UK as each other, if anything the controls will increase not decrease... have you missed all the news articles highlighting the ongoing recruitment initiatives being conducted in the above mentioned countries. Are you also forgetting that UK has always had a border anyway hence the reason for the much maligned controls we face now at seaports and the reason why visiting EU travellers must have a passport? How many reciprocated British border force staff do you see or have ever seen at Roscoff, St Malo, Cherbourg, Caen or Le Havre not to mention Dieppe, how many French staff have you seen at Plymouth, Poole, Portsmouth or Newhaven? None, big fat zero, they were never there as they have nothing to do with the agreement. Gareth makes a good point too, the French border control officers at the ports or very professional and the les duanes can be downright intimidating at times which isn't a bad thing.
  8. Sorry I don't agree with what you say,the first chance France get They Will withdraw from the currant agreement.this will put all the burden onto the uk shoulders and this will lead to massive trouble at the British side of the channel.mind you only time will tell if. Iam right.
  9. Although it very much relies on the goodwill of the French, my understanding is that they are free to terminate the agreement. Should the UK (for example) decide to renege on other obligations (such as a controversial financial settlement), it's not inconceivable we may run out of good will in return.
  10. A Bi Lateral agreement eh. Well no one would ever contemplate breaking one of those would they? Just as any other agreement if there is any political capital in breaking it it will be broken. Whether it is the current border arrangements or the GFA.
  11. Nothing to do with what you think. The border control issues are as a result of a Bi Lateral agreement, directly between the 2 Governments and as such are completely outside of any current issues, no matter how much some would like it not to be.
  12. If there is no deal,the French will tell uk border control to hop it back over the channel.then the flood gates will open because the French will relax there border policing and leave it to British to deal with it when they land in the uk.so in other words is this the tip of the iceberg in what may happen?
  13. He is basking in his honeymoon period at the moment, which should last a few days so you could be right, I am wondering when he will announce all the money he is giving to the NHS. This morning he is throwing money at the Northern Powerhouse, couple of days ago it was beefing up the police, the latter which is well needed, but I am interested in where all this money will come from. He’s lowering taxes for the richest, so they won’t be paying for it. The devil in the detail will soon emerge no doubt. iIt is said he is getting a dog for Number 10 - methinks some of the funniest headlines will be what Larry and Palmerston think of it, that will be another squabble he has to contend with...🤣
  14. I can guess one thing. If it happens and there is any inconvenience at all to the general public no matter how minor whoever carried it out can kiss their political career goodbye. But given his past record in public office the new PM will have lost interest in the job by, at a guess, next Thursday afternoon.
  15. Exactly.How does anyone know what will happen in a No Deal situation.It shows how some Brexiteers are so keen to leave Europe ,even to the extent of putting their own country's future at risk.What will the inconveniences be to BF if their is a No Deal?
  16. More likely Prime Minister Farage if a general election was to be held soon .
  17. Before casting your votes on Thursday, perhaps some of you might be interested in knowing where the EU is wisely spending your hard-earned cash. Try this. A (as near as makes any difference) 2-billion-euro bridge/raised highway around part of the coast of the French island of Réunion. As a French overseas territory it qualifies for partial EU funding despite the fact that 99% of EU citizens will never see it, let alone use it. And, as seems to be the way with such projects, work is currently suspended due to disputes over quarrying rights and a 300 million budget shortfall. The French TV news was reporting on it last week. Enjoy the view (if not the trip). 😊 It makes St Helena's Airport look like a bargain. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://7lameslamer.net/IMG/article_PDF/Dear-European-taxpayers-this-is_a1475.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiqzcGzk6ziAhWwzIUKHZTnCj8QFjAFegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw0MhbWYcjJCcAMUfgD-S5h_ https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.worldhighways.com/sections/key-projects/features/taking-the-coast-road-on-reunion-island/&ved=2ahUKEwjQ_peYvaziAhUlzIUKHfelACwQFjAEegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw3ORnpoYReijvs_lydHbSGg Ed
  18. He survives now due to May. She`ll be gone next month or so and he with her....Not saying the next one will be any better, just different.
  19. Trouble does seem to follow him, either he knows something about somebody senior in government or he's openly happy to be the fall guy for every disastrous department. Don't forget the hundreds of millions wasted on failed contracts at justice, provisioned during his tenure.
  20. I'm afraid the buck has to stop somewhere. In past times any minister who had cost the country as much as the current Minister of Transport would have fallen on his sword. The National Audit Office report on the first part of the affair is here. https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Out-of-court-settlement-with-Eurotunnel.pdf
  21. It will have been the minister - no one else would have the power to do so. This was a political decision and a high profile one. And if the BBC story is correct the decision was made in the face of clear advice that it could end in the courts. However by the looks of it as far as we know at this stage no official at the DfT asked for any kind of ministerial direction on this.
  22. it's impossible to know, without sitting in on those meetings. Somebody clearly railroaded the agreements through despite advice from experts. We'll never know who took the decision to ignore the legal advice.

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