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  1. 3 hours ago, scarlton said:

    The brand is now more about discovering the destinations served. I'd add a few more fancy words but frankly can't be arsed.


    Yes, basically BF are going to culturally appropriate some Spanish culture and give us a version of Spain onboard that they think the British traveling public want.

    Not a fan of this approach TBH. The Breton theme was much more authentic seeing that the company is from Brittany.


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  2. 13 minutes ago, Ryan_H said:

    I sailed on Pride of Bilbao for the one and only time back in 2009, and would agree with many of the comments about her condition by that stage; she looked very tired and dated compared to any of the BF ships at that time. I would also very much agree that the mini-cruises she did (most of the other passengers seemed to be on mini-cruises) were definitely something to sample with your mates, rather than your significant other. She remains the only ship on which I witnessed a full-blown brawl on the dance floor, in 'Silverstones', complete with beer glasses being thrown around - not even on my 5 Newcastle-Amsterdam trips to date have I seen anything quite like that on any other ferry. 

    She was quite unique in terms of atmosphere alright.

    I remember visiting Silverstones at around 10pm one night and had to make a hasty retreat. It was like a crowded working mans club at sea. However, the nice thing about the ship it's choice and size. Going up to the "Posh Bar" - atmosphere totally different. In fact, it was like being on another ship. During the daytime, Silverstones was just like a normal pub albeit some fantastic stern views of Bay of Biscay. 

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  3. 3 hours ago, jonno said:

    I loved sailing on her to Spain as I did Bretagne & VDL too. For me the difference was the onboard vibe. PoB was the ship you sailed on with your mates, Bretagne, VDL & Pont Aven were the ships you sailed on with the girlfriend/Wife & the kids.

    Whatever the PoB lacked in modernity, she certainly made up for in atmosphere. Likewise, with MV Fortuny a very chill atmosphere onboard.


  4. 1 hour ago, Solo said:

    What everyone is missing is the money BF's customers bring to Brittany and Normandy, if the local Governments subsidise them they are bringing money to the region, ask Chris how much he makes from BF indirectly.  It's off topic but an example from the past, on paper Cornish Tin mines did not make any money but the mine owners also supplied the mines with Coal etc and ran the transport of materials in and Tin ore out, so the profit wasn't in mining but owning the subsidiary businesses.  Remember BF started to transport the farmers produce, not to make money as a ferry company, the profit was in the produce carried.

    Last summer, I stopped at a town in N. Spain called in Jaca, on the foothills of Pyrenees. It was a Thursday night, the town was heaving with tourists who were filling up the cafes, bars, pensions and hotels. A lot of the tourists were English speaking who from earshot we also mentioning words like "boat" "Santander" and "Bilbao". Of course, these were BF customers...

    I remember thinking to myself, some of these autonomous regions of Northern Spain should be giving Brittany Ferries a subvention for landing all these tourists on their doorstep. It's probably not going to happen. But the economic of benefits which BF bring to France and Spain far outweigh any revenue earned by ticket prices.


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  5. 1 hour ago, hhvferry said:

    It was pretty common in the '70s; Finnlines, Gotlandsbolaget, DFDS, Jahre etc all sent their ships cruising, Stena even had a dedicated cruise ship (the current Astoria) which they sent out on long cruises from Gothenburg for years. The divergence between ferry and cruise operators and ferry design and cruise ship design hadn't really got into full swing by then - ships like the Southward and Sunward, Spirit of London, Cunard Ambassador etc were basically modified car ferry designs (if not actual car ferries in some instances).

    The Armorique came from the same design stable as all of those and was built as a two class ship - her first class accommodations were quite good, with en-suite bathrooms in the cabins where most legacy liners which were serving as cruise ships didn't have in huge numbers. I could imagine she would have been quite an effective little cruise ship - and would certainly have looked the part with her superstructure profile using the plans of the Southward as a starting point.

    I remember Sealink used to promote their "Orient Express" (their ship not the train) cruise in their brochures.

  6. 2 minutes ago, cvabishop said:

    I think there are a lot of relatively affluent pensioners who if conditions suddenly returned to normal would be off to France like a shot.

    Yes, BF seem to have tapped into this "affluent pensioner" market very well. Seeing that they are taking a car / campervan to a foreign land with funny road signs, tt is possible they are already a little more braver in their travel decisions.  


  7. There was a travel survey* done recently where car ferries came out on top as one of the most trusted means of public transport.

    So, there is some hope that those displaced air travelers will start to use continental ferry services like BF. And of course, there has been record sales of camper vans this summer, another glimmer of hope for the sector. 


    *( do not have source as it was mentioned on tail-end of radio show)



  8. 3 hours ago, hhvferry said:

    That traces back to when Sten Olsson was working out how to sell his new shipping company to Danish day trippers in the 60s. Everything was done to appeal to that market, including the names Jutlandica and Danica which even today are in place over Swedish based ones. 

    That is a bit like BF and Alexis Gourvennec.

    He was smart enough to cede some power to the Les Anglais in order to let them operate the marketing, customer service side of the business and make some other decisions like onboard entertainment.

    If this had not been done, maybe the trajectory of BF would have been very different. Its branding might have be something like "Ferries BAI". There might have been no English breakfast served, instead just a lot of croissants and orange juice. The entertainment onboard might have been tribute bands to Johnny Hallyday and Vanesa Paradis or Breton folk singers (the latter being not too bad...)

    I am still waiting for that Ferry Publications book on the backstory of all this to be published but just like everything else it seems to have been delayed by that Mexican beer virus. 


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  9. 2 hours ago, hhvferry said:

    It would however be all too believable because Minoan have fallen off significantly in lots of areas since being taken over by Grimaldi - but that has mostly affected the Adriatic ships where the Greek officers were replaced with Italians left to work uneasily alongside the Greek hotel staff.

    That sounds pretty draconian, even if it's just their Adriatic ships.


  10. Glad to say it's not BF but a Minoan Lines ship (Crete to Piraeus).

    Yes, he was sticking a camera in their face, but there was not even a hint of friendliness from any of the crew.

    Minoan Lines seemed to have got the hardware component right but not the "peopleware..." part.



  11. 19 hours ago, Valerie Wilton said:

    Just had a welcome aboard email from Brittany Ferries for our sailing in Wednesday from Santander to Plymouth. It states that at the port facilities including shops, cafes and toilets may be closed.  I can understand shops and cafe being closed but the toilets I can't understand. Has anyone sailed from Santander and can tell me if they are actually closed?  How are we supposed to sit for hours waiting to board with no toilet available? 

    Yeah, unbelievable.

    I've seen some You Tubers visiting Spain via air are reporting this also.  Upon arrival / dept. at airport - all toilets shut.

    So, this leads to a situation where people have to wait to use toilets on board the aircraft which means that the risk of spread is even increased even more. More people shuffling towards back and front of aircraft, more people touching a tiny door knob and same flush / tap buttons. At least facilities on land, can be cleaned regularly.


  12. 3 hours ago, veryoldbear said:

    Much has been made of the concept of a second spike once temperatures drop, but if COVID only flourishes in cold temperatures why is it doing so well in places like California and Florida? Answers on a postcard please.

    I think when scientists talk about this issue, they are not referring the virus per se but rather the behaviour of people during the winter months.

    During the winter, people are much more likely to be in heated offices and homes with windows firmly closed. In these types of environments, the Sars-CoV-2 just the common flu virus, is more likely to be suspended in the air for longer helping the spread.

    Maybe governments around the world should be advising people in addition to wearing face masks, washing hands etc., to live and work in areas with good fresh air flow.

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  13. 56 minutes ago, Seashore said:

    I was wondering if anyone was in the know, does anyone know if the value of a ship or scrap varies like commodities?

    There’s a fair few cruise ships on their way to Turkey and elsewhere on the Med for disposal including 2-3 from Pulmantur, at least 2 from Carnival and 1 from Costa.

    Would ferry operators like P&O or BF be considering ups and downs in scrap value when looking at disposing of old and/of inefficient tonnage?

    So what BF ferry do have in mind Seashore ;)?




    Just now, cvabishop said:

    Is that one of Carl Tunnicliffe's Linkspan Model Kits?

    I did see the model below of Bretagne back in 2007 at the Warwick Model Boat Show but it isn't a true scale model.

    It is actually very difficult to get hold of accurate drawngs of modern vessels for reasons of commercial confidentiality and probably also because they are no longer 'drawings' as such but CAD files.


    FN, really nice model you built there.

    Aside from commercial confidentiality, as mentioned by Cvabishop, copies of ship drawings, plans etc to third parties could be seen as a security risk.

    It could still be worth a try though. You might want to stress that you only want exterior plans!

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