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  1. Beautiful photos of her return. There'll probably be many more opportunities for the years to come as she's probably not going anywhere, but she doesn't look her 28 years externally at least. I see her portside mezzanine is down, do you know if she had much of a load on as this is the first weekend of the school holidays?
  2. Seashore

    2021 Timetables

    Like you said, the French element would be an issue. Remember they don't own 100% of Condor, so if they could operate their own ship they'd control all the traffic. You'd struggle to get one of the Condor ships to sail from Portsmouth, stop off at both Guernsey and Jersey, go to St Malo and back all within a 24-hour period. It would also be a very long crossing from Portsmouth - St Malo and can't see many hauliers being keen. St Malo isn't a huge freight route, but part of that may be to do with the limited freight capacity of Bretagne. She can take 39 lorries per crossing so on an average of 6x rotations a week that is 234 but you'd be sacrificing a lot of car deck space on Bretagne to do that. If Cap Finistere did 5x rotations you'd be looking at 550 freight units each way per week so into more serious numbers. Yes it takes up a lot of car deck space, but must car drivers are probably more likely to be keener on being in the deck 2 "basement" on CF than deck 5 on Bretagne.
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    2021 Timetables

    You say Le Havre - Portsmouth is BF's (distant) second route for freight? Why would you take a Visentini off it that takes 91-95 trucks and put Bretagne on it that takes 39? She'd have to do 3x sailings each way just to maintain capacity and there's not 48 hours in a day for her to be able to do that. I'm totally with you on the Cap Finistere change though.
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    2021 Timetables

    Then the timetable would have already been published? I think for accuracy the "does" should now read "did". Best will in the world 2021 is not going to see the traffic volumes of 2022. Pulling PA off Portsmouth-Santander is pretty significant (it's obvious that is happening, the timetable simply doesn't work with it), who'd have seen that coming with Plymouth back to two weekly sailings? Adding Armorique on Roscoff-Cork is pretty significant (post-Brexit transition date, the Irish/French wanting to avoid UK landbridge). Closing Plymouth-Roscoff for 5 months is pretty significant. It's a "holiday route" and no reason to think that St Malo is much different, like you say @georgem7 they carried similar volumes, but if I was a betting man I'd say Armorique is doing St Malo until 22nd March, overnight sailings only, when she goes back to Plymouth. The 22nd March is currently Galicia's first sailing (Cherbourg to Portsmouth). If it were just to be Armorique doing the winter sailings and Bretagne the summer then that is nothing really new, a timetable like that issued now wouldn't surprise anyone. It's why I reckon there's something going on with Cap Finistere going to St Malo (a Mon/Tue/Wed return to Spain when St Malo passengers must be at their lowest) and it's linked to the Spain timetables. Bretagne leaves the fleet this Autumn, either in November when PA can release her or in January when Armorique is freed from the Ouistreham route after both Normandie and MSM have their refits (that doesn't normally happen that they both have refits in the same year, 2020/21 is not going to be normal!). And that when the "missing" Cotentin comes back that she'll end up going to Spain as well a crew change in Cherbourg, maybe even doing Cherbourg-Rosslare to really eat into Stena and Irish Ferries' market (the freight wants the shortest road journey and BF have said they're struggling to make a profit on the Ireland-Spain route, they've dumped winter Roscoff because of lack of profit). Maybe she'll be Cherbourg > Rosslare > Santander > Portsmouth/Poole (Thurs?) > Santander > Rosslare > Cherbourg , which would explain her absence from the UK-Cherbourg timetables now and enables them to get rid of both Pelican and an Vissentini. Their press releases have said expect fewer crew ergo smaller fleet. Maybe Le Havre and Bilbao both finish being served by BF so they can reduce costs by focusing on a single port in each area. Feel free to delete if I've overly engaged in conjecture, speculation and fantasy @Gareth😉
  5. Seashore

    2021 Timetables

    I thought we’re not allowed to speculate lol. She was meant to go on Poole-Cherbourg after a rebuild but can’t see them spending that now. Stena have been using her as a passenger ferry on a sort of Economie type service from Sweden to Poland. If there’s an expected downturn in passengers next year, and maybe freight post-Brexit transition, then it could be she returns from charter in another use. (caveat, it’s likely Stena Lagan after rebuild is going to end up on the Karlskrona-Gdynia route, her rebuild is now delayed by four months). There’s the Vissentinis in the mix too, although Kerry is only for 12-months and Etretat is time chartered. Plus Pelican. I reckon there’s something going on with St Malo and Spain and they’re linked by this delayed timetable. So here we go: Cotentin goes in as the “low-cost” option to Spain, carrying passengers and freight (she has 2200 lane metres compared to CF’s 1900) plus a round trip to France to switch crew, maybe Le Havre but probably not. Cap Finistere does a weekly sailing to Spain (that’s your daily departure to Spain; 2x PA, 2x Galicia, 2x Cotentin, 1x Cap Finistere), which is why looking at the Galicia timetable I think you proposed @Gareth requires a signifiant change to CF’s timetable. She does the midweek Biscay trip you predicted then this scrubber-equipped, better cabins, no buffet (but they’re out anyway), capacity restricted (but all the fleet is likely to be for a while), expensive to operate at high speed but (efficient at normal speeds), Cap Finistere moves onto predominantly weekend-centric St Malo service. But I could be completely wrong of course. I reckon there’s a “stinger” coming next week though, Spain and St Malo and Le Havre will all look very different to this year.
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    2021 Timetables

    Cotentin.
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    2021 Timetables

    If you keep doing that, nothings is ever going to eclipse the Barfleur thread lol.
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    2021 Timetables

    For the E-Flexers, read the earlier pages in this thread. Galicia is discussed and comes into service in March. Timetable issuing also discussed at length. Most of France-England/Ireland on sale now, Spain-England/Ireland to follow next week, the “missing” Channel routes to St Malo, Le Havre and Normandie Express also touted for next week.
  9. So it’s sounding the exact same as the Stena versions of the E-Flexer. A suite it’s not, a balcony it’s not, but nevertheless a significant upgrade from a standard ferry cabin. Things like VOD and even just a TV in the cabin aren’t really anything to shout about, especially long haul. i would imagine that most members of the public wouldn’t get excited that there is a TV in the cabin, more like they would look at something like Pont-Aven and say why isn’t there a TV in the cabin especially when I’m being charged more than the cost of a budget hotel like Premier Inn for far less space, no 40” tv, no tea/coffee making facilities and no premium mattress and pillows? It’s not so much that Galicia is ahead, more that it is catching up with the equivalent on dry land and that the cabins on the likes of Pont-Aven, Bretagne and Cap Finistere are all hugely behind the times and massively overpriced.
  10. Any that may no longer be economic to run or may no longer fit the criteria, such as not enough cabins, and that another operator isn’t interested in. Could be one that starts with a B but not necessarily. Isn’t Cotentin due back into the BF fleet in 2021, previously announced to replace Barfleur?
  11. I was wondering if anyone was in the know, does anyone know if the value of a ship or scrap varies like commodities? There’s a fair few cruise ships on their way to Turkey and elsewhere on the Med for disposal including 2-3 from Pulmantur, at least 2 from Carnival and 1 from Costa. Would ferry operators like P&O or BF be considering ups and downs in scrap value when looking at disposing of old and/of inefficient tonnage?
  12. I thought Stena’s ships had two decks of cabins on decks 8 and 9, with three deluxe cabins with the direct deck access (calling it a balcony just seems wrong, it’s not a balcony, but then again that’s not a suite either) on each deck. Half of deck 7 is single height car deck - although that space will be cabins on the Brittany Ferries ships. The furniture inside and to an extent the decor looks very new-look “Stena”, especially the cabin stools with the hooped back rest design, the wood panelling and curtains, and the chairs in the Commodore C Lounge. But I like the look of the Stena ships, am waiting for a suitable time I can go for a run out on Edda, so it’s not a bad thing. I’d definitely rather be on a ferry than a plane right now.
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    2021 Timetables

    Yes, it could have a better year round service. Doesn’t mean Brittany Ferries have to provide though?! On a slimmed down Portsmouth to Cherbourg (NEX gone) and St Malo (potentially?) service then Ouistreham is better placed to pick up the passengers. I remember early 2000s when I lived in Pont-Aven I’d have to trek to Ouistreham or Le Havre in winter as all the Breton ports were unserved in winter. Looks like we may be back to that. BF are in trouble financially, they’ve said, and whilst they have a loan it’s exactly that, it must be paid back. They also have not endeared themselves with customers in the whole refund debacle that isn’t unique to BF by any means, as a whole the travel/tourism industry has done itself no favours and has come off pretty poorly, but BF are up there with Hoseasons and Skyes Cottages as being one of the worst for declining refunds. Try to talk to them, I’ve not, and you’ve got a company hanging on the goodwill of customers to a few staff members - BF would be lost without Jane!! Perhaps BF have just grown too complacent. I’d love to see a ship with a big “S” on a red funnel sail out of Le Havre every day. Or you never know, a displaced Calais Seaways could make an unlikely return, but possible DFDS could. The best news for Le Havre in the long run is that BF stop hogging the linkspan with a token service that’s just about stifling competition. Your passion for Le Havre is magnifique but BF are not going to move from Ouistreham to Le Havre... not going to happen.
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    2021 Timetables

    It looks like it would be a Sunday morning as that’s 2h45m in Roscoff as opposed to 2h on Wednesday morning and 2h15 on a Friday night. They’re all published times except the Santander crossings, but looking at the published schedule she can’t be doing anything else other than what’s published. But she seems to be doing mostly 5h15m crossings on Plymouth-Roscoff so it’s hardly as fast as she can go, so there’s some room to make up time if delayed?
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    2021 Timetables

    Cap Finistere can go fast, but is massively overpowered. The Superfasts might be fast in conventional terms but they don’t employ any new technology to do that, it’s just pure brute force that makes them go so fast. That’s why Stena run theirs much more slowly because they’re vastly more efficient and far cheaper to run at around 19-20 knots than at 27-28 knots. Maybe the fast way down to Spain will now be Plymouth on PA, she could go more slowly but she’d miss out that Tues/Weds return to Roscoff. Galicia won’t be fast but she’s ultra efficient, Stena Estrid and Edda can maintain 18 knots on one engine (useful for Estrid as the other one hasn’t be working!). Does CF now need to pelt it down there at the same speed? Portsmouth to Spain looks like it maybe be a slower and certainly less luxurious option now that PA is off it in Summer. Perhaps CF only does two Spain returns? Perhaps she calls in to Le Havre once a week? But why maintain a base in Le Havre for one crossing? With capacity restrictions on passengers there’ll be fewer car on car decks and therefore Normandie/MSM have more space for freight. I’d put money on CF going to St Malo in winter at least, with Bretagne doing a short 4/5-month season. Or between Cap Finistere and Bretagne, one of them goes either into cold layup or gone from the fleet forever.
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