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Probably. Some have suggested other deployments for Normandie within the BF network, but I was trying to put forward the view that it is Le Havre or out of the fleet for her. Specifically, it is inconceivable that we will see her redeployed to Poole.

 

Presumably BF have some idea about a replacement for Barfleur. After all she's the same age as Normandie. Personally I wouldn't rule out anything. Life is full of surprises!

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It's clear from this that BF see the Portsmouth/Caen route as the most important as a revenue earner so no doubt they convinced the financial backers of the new ship of this a new ship cheaper to staff,cheaper to fuel, easier to clean,quicker turnaround,as for other routes I suppose they will have to plough on with the existing tonnage, I still would t be surprised to see them drop a route or even two in the not so distant future and it might not be the obvious ones.

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Presumably BF have some idea about a replacement for Barfleur. After all she's the same age as Normandie. Personally I wouldn't rule out anything. Life is full of surprises!

 

I tend to think that Poole-Cherbourg is such a niche route with such specialist requirements for it's ship that Barfleur's replacement will either be a new build or there won't be one.

 

Neilcvx, the Portsmouth-Caen route has been BF's primary route and main revenue earner for decades. Everything else pales into insignificance by comparison. So making Normandie the priority replacement is almost a no-brainier.

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I tend to think that Poole-Cherbourg is such a niche route with such specialist requirements for it's ship that Barfleur's replacement will either be a new build or there won't be one.

 

Neilcvx, the Portsmouth-Caen route has been BF's primary route and main revenue earner for decades. Everything else pales into insignificance by comparison. So making Normandie the priority replacement is almost a no-brainier.

And making sure it's full more often by having less routes around it to choose from might happen as well.

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I travelled on the route last week on the early morning sailing from France. Ship was chock-a-block full, mainly of freight. There is so much freight routing through Ouistreham at the moment (as hauliers are trying to avoid Calais if at all possible) that BF are only just coping with it I believe.

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I travelled on the route last week on the early morning sailing from France. Ship was chock-a-block full, mainly of freight. There is so much freight routing through Ouistreham at the moment (as hauliers are trying to avoid Calais if at all possible) that BF are only just coping with it I believe.

 

This won't go unnoticed by potential competitors, I would guess.

 

It does, of course, mean business for the ports involved as well as the ferry operator. I'm sure Cherbourg would like a slice of the action. I'm not so sure about Poole. I don't think its trust port status helps.

 

But maybe this new building, if this news be correct, is PA2 for Spanish services and the ferry that will be going is the Cap. I've always understood this ex-Superfast was an expensive ship to operate.

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Interesting facts:

 

Normandie (1992) -> Mont St Michel (2002) (which was the proceeding newbuild)

 

Armorique (2009) -> NEWBUILDING (2019) (again, the proceeding newbuild)

 

Both of these have a gap of 10 years.

 

Also interesting to note is that a new Caen ship has come before a new Spain ship before (Mont came before Pont)

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Interesting facts:

 

Normandie (1992) -> Mont St Michel (2002) (which was the proceeding newbuild)

 

Armorique (2009) -> NEWBUILDING (2019) (again, the proceeding newbuild)

 

Both of these have a gap of 10 years.

 

Also interesting to note is that a new Caen ship has come before a new Spain ship before (Mont came before Pont)

 

 

Let's just hope that the replacement won't be so utterly characterless as the Armorique is. Mont St Michel still has the old BF flair; other than the accomodation decks on Armorique (which are very nice), the rest of her is like a Dover-Calais vessel - a service station at sea!

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I quite like the open feel of Armorique it doesn't feel as crowed as MSM does when it's busy .

 

 

Similar in size but less capacity. I know what you mean, MSM's deck 7 can feel quite claustrophobic. I think it's one of the reasons why they're built bigger now but still hold the same amount of passengers.

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Also it makes sense, if it's not a Spanish route then things should be able to be relaxed a tad. I would hope that the public areas and cabin sizes are reasonably generous, especially when you look at some recent and comparable purpose vessels now like Hollandica and Brittanica

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I do now think it's a question of waiting and seeing. I suspect that the report that started this thread or rather the present discussion is not entirely correct. It gave specifications more appropriate to a PA but suggested the vessel was for Ports-Ouistreham for which many thought PA too big. Someone's got a bit confused!

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I do now think it's a question of waiting and seeing. I suspect that the report that started this thread or rather the present discussion is not entirely correct. It gave specifications more appropriate to a PA but suggested the vessel was for Ports-Ouistreham for which many thought PA too big. Someone's got a bit confused!
We shall indeed have to wait and see! After all, January is historically the month when BF like to spring their surprises upon us. :D

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In the recent French press articles on the "New Normandie" it mentions a slightly odd statistic - 5200m squared of public space. I am trying to put this in context... does anyone know how much "public space" for example other vessels have?

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