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2 hours ago, Khaines said:

I suggested elsewhere that it was probably down to her previous operators in Morocco, but then I shouldn’t point any fingers.  What I wonder is she was delivered to Polferries who have had her repainted quite nicely and she is ready to start work, then all this blows up. I would have thought Polferries bigwigs would have given her a good combing over before they ageeed to the charter.  How are charters done, would the chartering operators inspect a ship first before taking it on, or is it a case of “sold as seen”.  Wouldn’t they havr wanted to know all her inspections and surveys that they were getting a quality ship that is suitable for use?  

Been said ST Marine are refusing to pay for work to be done or something, their ship, they should have handed her over in suitable working order in my opinion.  But how much of that is truth or rumour I do not know, but she is a lovely ship visually inside snd out, it is a pity she is so jinxed.

You would think the ship would be inspected but I have heard that when BF chartered Connamara "bare boat" they didn't realise how bare it would be, everything that wasn't screwed down and some that was disappeared.  I did hear that third hand but would explain why it took longer than expected to prepare her.

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I imagine delays of this length are more likely to relate to the ship's well documented underlying problems than merely skimpy maintenance by Inter Shipping (which is still also likely to have happened although the Spanish have a habit of detaining ships which get too far away from reasonable). 

Polferries in their urgency to get a second passenger ship on the route and fear of being overwhelmed by Stena Line may have been sold a bit of a pup by the owners.

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I think the problems are of a mechanical nature which is one of the very few snippets of information around.  As hhvferry has said though, it sounds like Polferries acted in haste and now have to probably repent that haste in their leisure.  I wish they were more transparent though about what her problems actually are.

 Condor have gone to great lengths to explain Liberation’s  shortcomings in the past, shortcomings she seems to have put behind her, but even so her operators did put a lot of information out there about exactly what was happening with her.  Which us shipping enthusiasts could pore over and discuss but also gave customers quite detailed information as to why she was cancelled or why she was having an off day..  Polferries seem to be very sparse in their information in the public domain.  If her problems are indeed technical then in my opinion her owners should pay for her to come up to scratch.  

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Khaines...with risk of me sounding like a broken record, Liberation's issues are still not completely behind her. She cannot sail at the wave heights we were originally promised and we have not seen the 90% reduction in weather related cancellations that we expected. Having said that she is a pleasant ship to sail on when the weather is good. Her reliability is also very much improved.

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2 hours ago, Nick Hyde said:

Khaines...with risk of me sounding like a broken record, Liberation's issues are still not completely behind her. She cannot sail at the wave heights we were originally promised and we have not seen the 90% reduction in weather related cancellations that we expected. Having said that she is a pleasant ship to sail on when the weather is good. Her reliability is also very much improved.

I am taking advantage of the good weather and have taken a couple of sailings on her recently, she was impeccable, I could actually walk around the shop without feeling her swaying about.   While we have this glorious weather, am making the most of her.  Am on her in the week, will go to the Ship and Crown pub by the harbourside, always get nice food in there.  My only quibble abour Libby at the moment is she is looking rather grubby.  Barfleur is usually packed out this time of the year, so am making hay while the sun shines on the Lib.

Regarding Nova Star, just really that Condor have put out any amounts of press releases and whatever explaining Liberation’s problems, Polferries are less than forthcoming.  They are under no obligation to explain her issues, but seeing as this is going on and on, I thought it would be good public relations to explain things a bit further.

 

This thread ought to renamed just Nova Star as she no longer operates for Nova Cruises.  Could change it to Polferries, but how long is she going to be with them with everything that is going on?

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Bit of a lengthy post but needs to be considering how much of the story there is to tell..

Someone translated this story for me as I was having problems getting my own device to do it..🙄  Gives a breakdown of the comedy of errors of this rather jinxed ship.  In my opinion she needs to go back to Singapore and be totally overhauled, then handed back to Polferries.  In the article it says that it was thought that you just got the ship repainted it in new livery and then everything is done.  Lesson has been learned a very hard way it seems.  She looks excellent in her Polferries livery too, much better than she did previously, so a waste of a good paint job if she ends up not working for them. I still think she is a great looking ship inside and out, it is a shame she has all these problems.

 

https://biznes.trojmiasto.pl/Prom-Nova-Star-wyplynie-dopiero-we-wrzesniu-Wizerunkowa-klapa-PZB-n126179.htm

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The Nova Star ferry instead of carrying passengers between Gdańsk and Nynäshamn, mainly flies from the Remontowa Shipyard to the Ferry Base. Yesterday, for the eighth time, the date of the first voyage was postponed, and when asked about the reasons for this shift, the shipowner PŻB Polferries is disposing of us with a "thrifty" message.

From the end of June, we describe the fate of the "New Star" ferry, which was leased by the Polish shipowner PŻB Polferries. The ferry was supposed to take off on its first cruise on the Gdańsk-Nynäshamn route in the colors of Polferries on June 25. Unfortunately, just before that date, it was reported that the "technical reasons independent of the shipowner" was postponed to June 29, and then it went. On June 29, it was postponed to July 5, from July 5 to July 9, then information appeared that on July 11, then on July 21, from 21 was postponed to July 31, later on August 2, and from August 2 to August 4. The latest announcement on the PŻB website already says about September 3. In total, the date of the first voyage was postponed eight times!

The message is always economical: "The Management Board of Polska Żegluga Bałtycka SA informs that the deadline for introducing the Nova Star ferry for the Gdańsk-Nynäshamn line on 3 September, 2018, due to technical reasons independent of the shipowner, will be postponed."

Technical problems independent of the shipowner?

Let's remind: a few months ago, Polska Bałtycka Bałtycka announced that in anticipation of new ferries it was forced to strengthen its fleet on the Baltic Sea by leasing the used unit. The ferry has been chartered so far for two years from the ship owner from Singapore ST Engineering Marine Ltd. In March, the ferry went to the Gdańsk Shiprepair Yard, where it underwent renovation. As we have unofficially learned, his condition was much worse than expected, although it is a relatively new unit, because it was built in 2011. The renovation works that were only provided by the schedule ended just a few days before the planned first flight. Unfortunately, the DNV GL classifying company demanded additional works, without them did not want to sign the documents about the admission to shipping.

The problem is that the work was outsourced and supervised by the owner of the unit, i.e. a shipowner from Singapore. Therefore, PŻB still claims that the voyage shifts are of "technical reasons independent of the shipowner". The would-be passengers, however, have a regret for PŻB. They do not understand why the shipowner was selling cruises on a ship that had no impact on the renovation. It was risky, because during renovation work something can go wrong.

- Season fully, and jam will be collected by someone else. Unfortunately, the best months were lost. Polferries needs a newer ferry on such a prestigious line as Gdańsk-Nynashamn. Especially since the competition is not sleeping and introduces new ferries, and Wawel, which is sailing on this route, no longer meets the requirements of passengers. I do not understand how it could have happened. How bad was the technical condition of the still quite new ferry. I have the impression that there was no competence. It was necessary to check the ship from the bilge to the tip of the chimney before signing the contract. It may even entrust this task to external classifying institutions. It was thought that all you need to do is repaint the ferry with your colors and finish - says Maciej Borkowski, columnist and commentator, expert on maritime economy.

And the competition is not really sleeping. At the end of September, the ferry line Stena Line from Gdynia to Karlskrona will be enriched with a fourth ferry, which will take passengers in addition to cargo.

This time for a month

Earlier, the deadline was moved by several days, this time it was moved by a month. The situation seems so serious. We asked PŻB where this decision came from. Have the problems with the ferry proved so serious? Why can not he enter traffic? Have you already estimated losses due to delay? What about customers, did they receive a refund? What about the crew of the ferry, does it receive a salary?

- The Management Board of the Polish Baltic Shipping Company is sorry to inform that due to the next missed deadline for the owner of the Nova Star ferry - ST Engineering Marine Ltd. from Singapore is forced to move the unit's introduction into operation on 3.09.2018. We notify all passengers about the canceled departures of the ferry. As before, we offer our passengers departures on a different date by shipowner's ferries, also on other routes, we grant additional discounts and return the full amount for purchased tickets for the Nova Star ferry. We try to respond to our clients and react individually in most cases. We apologize for any inconvenience - informs the Management Board of Polish Baltic Shipping. And the answer is economical again.

Image losses difficult to make up

Delay of entry to the Nova Star ferry is free. However, it is not known how much, and who bears these costs. The ferry does not earn money, you have to reckon with the claims of would-be customers and the unplanned stay at the Ferry Base. This can be counted, although as you can see PŻB does not want to disclose what are the losses. Worse with image loss.

- I spoiled my long-planned holiday. PŻB gave a stain. Money promises to give away, but when? Now my family's trip to Poland can cost many times - Roman told us from Sweden, who was planning a vacation in Poland.

- For me, PŻB is completely burned. We have traveled to Poland in March on July 12 - Mr Wiesław informed us a few days ago. - They constantly translate deadlines, for now we do not know if our cruise will be canceled. I wonder how they will play with us. It's good that there is a Swedish Stena Line.

PŻB has not been lucky for the image lately. It's about building a ferry that started a year ago. Although the word "started" is an abuse in this matter. In June 2017, on the slipway Wulkan in the then Szczecin Industrial Park, and today's Szczecin Shipyard, a keel for the new ferry was laid. However, the event had a symbolic character because the sheet metal was not cut and the actual construction did not start until today.

Polska Żegluga Bałtycka is a state-owned enterprise operating under the Polferries brand. It has in its fleet four passenger-car ferries: m / f "Wawel" built in 1980, m / v "Baltivię" from 1981, m / f "Mazovia" built in 1996 and m / f "Cracovia" from 2002 year. These ferries sail on the Gdańsk-Nynashamn and Świnoujście-Ystad routes

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Been following her progress, she seems to be ok, time will tell though.  This is really her chance to prove herself that she is capable of doing a job.  She does have her issues, but she needs to be able to show she can operate ok regardless of those and be with an operator like Polferries who are well known in Europe.  As yet she has operated for a company set up by her owners that fell flat on it’s face owing to unpaid debts and ended up with her being seized by the US authorities.  Then she went to Intershipping, not sure how well she got on there but I think where she is now, despite her initial problems will be a lot better for her.  Waiting for a few reviews to see what people think. 

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I’m sure that, from a customer satisfaction point of view, she’ll be fine.  The issues with her seem to be commercial and technical ones behind the scenes that customers won’t really see.

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2 hours ago, Khaines said:

She WAS built specifically for the route, that is why she is so suitable.  But we don’t know how many years she has along with the others, scrubbers or not.  Normandie in Poole, cannot see it, sorry, a short route like Barfy’s requires a smaller vessel.  Poole doubles well as a short crossing for tourists as well.  Which is why I suggested Nova Star, even though she gets grief on here.  I think people should not be too quick to judge her because of her past, she is quietly getting on with it in Poland and from what I have seen quite popular!  I was merely suggesting we need a ship of a similar size which are few and far between, and I just cannot see BF building again for Poole.  We are lucky to have Barfy back anyway after a few years ago - which we all know about.  I know I bang on about Nova Star (who incidentally you can still see her original name of Norman Leader under her paintwork)  but just have the right feeling about her.  Specs comparison below.

Nova Star specs

161m x 26.6m Draught 5.9m Tonnage 277.44

Deadweight 4145 t

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Barfleur 

158 x 23.30. Tonnage 20.133 Draught 5.8

Deadweight 5250t

 

 

I don't doubt it especially after the work PolFerries have done, her draft is now 6.2m rather than the previous 5.9m and she has a restaurant, self service & cafe plus 648 beds in 162 4 berth cabins but more crucially she now has 2790 lane metres split 60-40  between HGV's and cars. Compared to her previous incarnation now she's Nova Star in name only.

Brigitte... enjoy.

 

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15 minutes ago, jonno said:

I don't doubt it especially after the work PolFerries have done, her draft is now 6.2m rather than the previous 5.9m and she has a restaurant, self service & cafe plus 648 beds in 162 4 berth cabins but more crucially she now has 2790 lane metres split 60-40  between HGV's and cars. Compared to her previous incarnation now she's Nova Star in name only.

Brigitte... enjoy.

 

Lovely, ain’t she, quite posh.  She only has the one public deck like Barfleur, I thought she had two.  Someone posted a large photoset of her on Facebook and she looks very spacious and a lot going on for a vessel only a few meters bigger than Barfy.  Probably easier to see how well she is doing with Polferries as well, before she was stuck in far off locations.  I just hope Polferries don’t put bow art on her, she looks perfectly ok as she is.

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Polferries haven't done anything significant to the Nova Star apart from removing the grime and decay of a few years of neglect... She was laid up in the shipyard in Gdansk for ages not because they were doing much work on her but because of a sort of corporate inertia between Polferries and the owners. On board she's just a tidied up version of the ship which operated for Inter Shipping.

She's a nice ship to travel on though and Polferries do some nice mini-cruise offers but will still never be suitable for a heavy-ish freight route .

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1 hour ago, jonno said:

I don't doubt it especially after the work PolFerries have done, her draft is now 6.2m rather than the previous 5.9m and she has a restaurant, self service & cafe plus 648 beds in 162 4 berth cabins but more crucially she now has 2790 lane metres split 60-40  between HGV's and cars. Compared to her previous incarnation now she's Nova Star in name only.

Brigitte... enjoy.

 

Has the increase in draft also increased running costs?

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44 minutes ago, hhvferry said:

Polferries haven't done anything significant to the Nova Star apart from removing the grime and decay of a few years of neglect... She was laid up in the shipyard in Gdansk for ages not because they were doing much work on her but because of a sort of corporate inertia between Polferries and the owners. On board she's just a tidied up version of the ship which operated for Inter Shipping.

She's a nice ship to travel on though and Polferries do some nice mini-cruise offers but will still never be suitable for a heavy-ish freight route .

They must have done something she only had 1600 lane metres prior to heading to Remontowa, she began her PolFerry charter with over 1500 lm's dedicated for trucks and 1200 for cars.

 

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2 minutes ago, nick hall said:

Has the increase in draft also increased running costs?

According to DNV GL compared to her removed previous Bureau Veritas class, her GT has increased by 300 tonnes from 27,444 to 27,744 and her NT is up from 11,000 to 12,106, this was re registered during 2018 at Gdansk, so I assume any added fuel burn cost will be offset by her greater loading capacity income. Engines are the same 10L32/44CR's and her gen sets are the same too.

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7 hours ago, jonno said:

They must have done something she only had 1600 lane metres prior to heading to Remontowa, she began her PolFerry charter with over 1500 lm's dedicated for trucks and 1200 for cars. 

 

She has two full height freight decks which were designed for 1,500lm total so any figures quoting that are just quoting the original spec rather than what she can actually carry in practice. Inter Shipping only ever used the upper freight deck for cars to keep her off her marks.

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I just did two dummy bookings trying to keep the options as similar as possible.

The first was with Polferries overnight out on the last Saturday in July and back the Sunday night with just 5 hours ashore (if you come back the following night it's a different, older ship) for a car with two passengers and the cheapest cabins still available. That came to 3915 SEK which is around 380€ on an 8 year-old ship with a choice of eateries and which still looks fresh and new for an 18-hour crossing. 

The second was on Barfleur from France to the UK overnight on the last Sunday in July and back on the Monday night giving around 14 hours ashore, again for two adults in a car with the cheapest available cabins. That was 651€ on a ferry pushing 30 years of age with no formal restaurant and a trip that can be done in around 4 hours. 

Hmmm! 🤔 

Ed. 

 

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14 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

I just did two dummy bookings trying to keep the options as similar as possible.

The first was with Polferries overnight out on the last Saturday in July and back the Sunday night with just 5 hours ashore (if you come back the following night it's a different, older ship) for a car with two passengers and the cheapest cabins still available. That came to 3915 SEK which is around 380€ on an 8 year-old ship with a choice of eateries and which still looks fresh and new for an 18-hour crossing. 

The second was on Barfleur from France to the UK overnight on the last Sunday in July and back on the Monday night giving around 14 hours ashore, again for two adults in a car with the cheapest available cabins. That was 651€ on a ferry pushing 30 years of age with no formal restaurant and a trip that can be done in around 4 hours. 

Hmmm! 🤔 

Ed. 

 

Is that not just showing the different value in different routes? You have to compare the cost of living etc of the customers you are attracting.

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If she came to BF, I bet she would be on the same price as Barfleur.  I have always suggested her because she is a lovely ship, and dare I say it, posher than Barfleur with more facilities, it is the lack of faciilities that put people off the Barfy, and she isn’t that much bigger either.  

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You are not suggesting that somehow it has mutated into a Barfleur-centred thread, are you? That's never happened before! Ed. 

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28 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

You are not suggesting that somehow it has mutated into a Barfleur-centred thread, are you? That's never happened before! Ed. 

I would say it is a Nova Star centred one.  She actually has her own thread in Other Ferry Operations, so possibly posts and talk of her could be shifted there and merged into that..😉

 

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