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Get down to B&Q in the morning.... maybe we should all forget about the Euro and move into BitCoins......

 

Should have followed your excellent advice Manxscorpio, 22M twin core cable, 2 cable ties and delivery from Bosch £25.21. Germany 1 - G4rth 0.

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I think sometimes the media is guilty of superficial reporting and, indeed, inaccuracy which makes it difficult for ordinary people to make up their minds on the basis of true facts and not

misleading ones. At the moment the radio is trailering programmes to do with the centenary of the start of the Battle of the Somme suggesting that the loss of life on the first day was unparalled in history. I wonder if this is right. While the losses were very high, they may have been exceeded on two other occasions in English history, viz the Battle of Watling Street in 61 AD (or CE if you prefer) when the Roman general Suetonius finally crushed the Boudiccan rebellion killing getting on for 100,000 of the rebels in the process. The other was the Battle of Towton in 1461 which was a ten hour toe-to-toe slugfest fought out between the Houses of York and Lancaster on a Palm Sunday and in a blizzard. Those international observers of the time, the Heralds, carried out a body count and concluded 28,000 men in total had lost their lives. Some think this figure is greatly exaggerated but other authorities by reason of the circumstances of the battle are not so sure.

 

OK all this was a long time ago but maybe we should say the first day of the Somme saw the heaviest loss of British life in modern times. And anyway it wasn't a disaster. Attritionally it was a British victory launched to take the pressure off the French at Verdun, where the Germans came very close to breaking through, something not given much prominence in the British media. One hopes if there is another EU referendum the politicoes and media might present the issues and consequences more clearly and cogently than last time.

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I think sometimes the media is guilty of superficial reporting and, indeed, inaccuracy which makes it difficult for ordinary people to make up their minds on the basis of true facts and not

misleading ones. At the moment the radio is trailering programmes to do with the centenary of the start of the Battle of the Somme suggesting that the loss of life on the first day was unparalled in history. I wonder if this is right. While the losses were very high, they may have been exceeded on two other occasions in English history, viz the Battle of Watling Street in 61 AD (or CE if you prefer) when the Roman general Suetonius finally crushed the Boudiccan rebellion killing getting on for 100,000 of the rebels in the process. The other was the Battle of Towton in 1461 which was a ten hour toe-to-toe slugfest fought out between the Houses of York and Lancaster on a Palm Sunday and in a blizzard. Those international observers of the time, the Heralds, carried out a body count and concluded 28,000 men in total had lost their lives. Some think this figure is greatly exaggerated but other authorities by reason of the circumstances of the battle are not so sure.

 

OK all this was a long time ago but maybe we should say the first day of the Somme saw the heaviest loss of British life in modern times. And anyway it wasn't a disaster. Attritionally it was a British victory launched to take the pressure off the French at Verdun, where the Germans came very close to breaking through, something not given much prominence in the British media. One hopes if there is another EU referendum the politicoes and media might present the issues and consequences more clearly and cogently than last time.

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Come on guys the decision has been made lets just all pull together get on with it and show the rest of the world what a great country we are, like how we used to be with Royal Britannia ruling the waves !

 

Yes I voted out, I've had enough of the European Union taking our money for the privilege of dictating what we can and can't do, the EU is failing ! I have been travelling around the world since I was a young child, people always think Europe has always been how it is now but it has taken hundreds of millions of money from the EU to get the countries to the standards they are today and Britain don't seem to gain anything, we pay our own way!

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Come on guys the decision has been made lets just all pull together get on with it and show the rest of the world what a great country we are, like how we used to be with Royal Britannia ruling the waves !

 

Yes I voted out, I've had enough of the European Union taking our money for the privilege of dictating what we can and can't do, the EU is failing ! I have been travelling around the world since I was a young child, people always think Europe has always been how it is now but it has taken hundreds of millions of money from the EU to get the countries to the standards they are today and Britain don't seem to gain anything, we pay our own way!

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Yes I voted out, I've had enough of the European Union taking our money for the privilege of dictating what we can and can't do, the EU is failing ! I have been travelling around the world since I was a young child, people always think Europe has always been how it is now but it has taken hundreds of millions of money from the EU to get the countries to the standards they are today and Britain don't seem to gain anything, we pay our own way!

We gained prosperity by trading with and selling to those nations. The amounts of gdp and tax revenue already wiped off by our imminent exit vastly exceed the relatively trivial sums we invested in membership each year.
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Yes I voted out, I've had enough of the European Union taking our money for the privilege of dictating what we can and can't do, the EU is failing ! I have been travelling around the world since I was a young child, people always think Europe has always been how it is now but it has taken hundreds of millions of money from the EU to get the countries to the standards they are today and Britain don't seem to gain anything, we pay our own way!

We gained prosperity by trading with and selling to those nations. The amounts of gdp and tax revenue already wiped off by our imminent exit vastly exceed the relatively trivial sums we invested in membership each year.
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I think sometimes the media is guilty of superficial reporting and, indeed, inaccuracy which makes it difficult for ordinary people to make up their minds on the basis of true facts and not misleading ones.

 

 

Are you sure Hawser? I assume you don't mean the Mail, the Sun or the Barclay brothers Telegraph. Sorry forgot the Daily Express, who could leave that out when discussing accurate reporting.

 

 

We gained prosperity by trading with and selling to those nations. The amounts of gdp and tax revenue already wiped off by our imminent exit vastly exceed the relatively trivial sums we invested in membership each year.

 

 

At the moment, nothing has changed and won't do for at least two years. We have already seen small signs of what's coming down the line. As they say "we ain't seen nothing yet".

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I think sometimes the media is guilty of superficial reporting and, indeed, inaccuracy which makes it difficult for ordinary people to make up their minds on the basis of true facts and not misleading ones.

 

 

Are you sure Hawser? I assume you don't mean the Mail, the Sun or the Barclay brothers Telegraph. Sorry forgot the Daily Express, who could leave that out when discussing accurate reporting.

 

 

We gained prosperity by trading with and selling to those nations. The amounts of gdp and tax revenue already wiped off by our imminent exit vastly exceed the relatively trivial sums we invested in membership each year.

 

 

At the moment, nothing has changed and won't do for at least two years. We have already seen small signs of what's coming down the line. As they say "we ain't seen nothing yet".

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We gained prosperity by trading with and selling to those nations. The amounts of gdp and tax revenue already wiped off by our imminent exit vastly exceed the relatively trivial sums we invested in membership each year.

 

Where exactly has money been written off our GDP and taxes? It's still people guessing and traders making money off those that panicked. I see that car manufacturers and oil went down, are we suddenly going to stop driving cars?

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We gained prosperity by trading with and selling to those nations. The amounts of gdp and tax revenue already wiped off by our imminent exit vastly exceed the relatively trivial sums we invested in membership each year.

 

Where exactly has money been written off our GDP and taxes? It's still people guessing and traders making money off those that panicked. I see that car manufacturers and oil went down, are we suddenly going to stop driving cars?

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show the rest of the world what a great country we are, like how we used to be with Royal Britannia ruling the waves !

 

Do you mean like with workhouses, child chimney sweeps and no health service? I think you'll find when Britain ruled the waves that's what it was like or do you have a different recollection?

 

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show the rest of the world what a great country we are, like how we used to be with Royal Britannia ruling the waves !

 

Do you mean like with workhouses, child chimney sweeps and no health service? I think you'll find when Britain ruled the waves that's what it was like or do you have a different recollection?

 

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Where exactly has money been written off our GDP and taxes? It's still people guessing and traders making money off those that panicked. I see that car manufacturers and oil went down, are we suddenly going to stop driving cars?

It's nothing to do with traders making money. I can see and hear what's happening out there. Two people I know in the city are definitely moving into continental bases (or their roles are). A lawyer whose firm specialises in special projects (floats, large corporate sales etc) who have seen the market disappear overnight has already been told about lay offs. On a similar note one of my best friends works for a company who was planning to float but has today cancelled it. The professional fees alone on that transaction would have been around £50m. And on the high street trade has fallen off a cliff since Friday, particularly in non essentials.

 

This is real, it's happening now and it's absolutely terrible.

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Where exactly has money been written off our GDP and taxes? It's still people guessing and traders making money off those that panicked. I see that car manufacturers and oil went down, are we suddenly going to stop driving cars?

It's nothing to do with traders making money. I can see and hear what's happening out there. Two people I know in the city are definitely moving into continental bases (or their roles are). A lawyer whose firm specialises in special projects (floats, large corporate sales etc) who have seen the market disappear overnight has already been told about lay offs. On a similar note one of my best friends works for a company who was planning to float but has today cancelled it. The professional fees alone on that transaction would have been around £50m. And on the high street trade has fallen off a cliff since Friday, particularly in non essentials.

 

This is real, it's happening now and it's absolutely terrible.

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Nigel Farage has totally lost his way now. Its all about him. I once thought the guy may have some sort of a point but why is he an MEP yet thinks the EU poisonous. His antics yesterday were of an egotistical person who thinks he is higher up the political ladder than he actually is. I was one who thought they had a point at the General Election with 4 million votes and 1 MP. Now I think tough, as I do not want him as an MP thanks. His behaviour in this referendum has been appalling. The blatant false facts to gain votes. He was not the only one and certainly not the only side of the debate to do so. Lets hope the leaderships get sorted quickly and the MPs can sort things out so the economy etc are stable going forward in the exit process. I am so surprised at how it has affected me. Thought I would shrug it off but quite upset. Hey ho. Stay Calm and Carry On. Or is that the title of the nrxt film in the series...Carry on Parliament.

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Nigel Farage has totally lost his way now. Its all about him. I once thought the guy may have some sort of a point but why is he an MEP yet thinks the EU poisonous. His antics yesterday were of an egotistical person who thinks he is higher up the political ladder than he actually is. I was one who thought they had a point at the General Election with 4 million votes and 1 MP. Now I think tough, as I do not want him as an MP thanks. His behaviour in this referendum has been appalling. The blatant false facts to gain votes. He was not the only one and certainly not the only side of the debate to do so. Lets hope the leaderships get sorted quickly and the MPs can sort things out so the economy etc are stable going forward in the exit process. I am so surprised at how it has affected me. Thought I would shrug it off but quite upset. Hey ho. Stay Calm and Carry On. Or is that the title of the nrxt film in the series...Carry on Parliament.

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Nigel Farage has totally lost his way now. Its all about him. I once thought the guy may have some sort of a point but why is he an MEP yet thinks the EU poisonous. His antics yesterday were of an egotistical person who thinks he is higher up the political ladder than he actually is. I was one who thought they had a point at the General Election with 4 million votes and 1 MP. Now I think tough, as I do not want him as an MP thanks. His behaviour in this referendum has been appalling. The blatant false facts to gain votes. He was not the only one and certainly not the only side of the debate to do so. Lets hope the leaderships get sorted quickly and the MPs can sort things out so the economy etc are stable going forward in the exit process. I am so surprised at how it has affected me. Thought I would shrug it off but quite upset. Hey ho. Stay Calm and Carry On. Or is that the title of the nrxt film in the series...Carry on Parliament.

The Brexit campaign used Nigel Farage and his party to win the referendum.Now they are stuck with him and his extremist views.They have given him and his party the publicity they needed.

Let's hope that it is possble to have another referendum that gives the UK a clear result and has a campaign of truth that proceeds it.

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Nigel Farage has totally lost his way now. Its all about him. I once thought the guy may have some sort of a point but why is he an MEP yet thinks the EU poisonous. His antics yesterday were of an egotistical person who thinks he is higher up the political ladder than he actually is. I was one who thought they had a point at the General Election with 4 million votes and 1 MP. Now I think tough, as I do not want him as an MP thanks. His behaviour in this referendum has been appalling. The blatant false facts to gain votes. He was not the only one and certainly not the only side of the debate to do so. Lets hope the leaderships get sorted quickly and the MPs can sort things out so the economy etc are stable going forward in the exit process. I am so surprised at how it has affected me. Thought I would shrug it off but quite upset. Hey ho. Stay Calm and Carry On. Or is that the title of the nrxt film in the series...Carry on Parliament.

The Brexit campaign used Nigel Farage and his party to win the referendum.Now they are stuck with him and his extremist views.They have given him and his party the publicity they needed.

Let's hope that it is possble to have another referendum that gives the UK a clear result and has a campaign of truth that proceeds it.

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Well, didn't see that coming about Boris, just heard he's not going to be running for PM. Gove stabbed him in the back - he would be an even worse PM, sneaky little git. His missus was behind that I thinks, Sarah Vine. Cannot think of a worse couple to be in Number 10. Boris bad enough, but he would be more bearable than Gove. Allmighty mess this is becoming.

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Well, didn't see that coming about Boris, just heard he's not going to be running for PM. Gove stabbed him in the back - he would be an even worse PM, sneaky little git. His missus was behind that I thinks, Sarah Vine. Cannot think of a worse couple to be in Number 10. Boris bad enough, but he would be more bearable than Gove. Allmighty mess this is becoming.

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Gove is Rupert Murdoch's proxy so he'll get extensive press coverage for his campain. Sorry to see Boris not standing, even though I dislike him intensely I dislike Gove even more. As seen from the recent referendum campain, both are serial liars. Sadly, as an opportunist brexiteer, out of the bunch up for the Tory leadership Boris was probably the only one that might have given the country a change to row back on the impending disaster.

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Gove is Rupert Murdoch's proxy so he'll get extensive press coverage for his campain. Sorry to see Boris not standing, even though I dislike him intensely I dislike Gove even more. As seen from the recent referendum campain, both are serial liars. Sadly, as an opportunist brexiteer, out of the bunch up for the Tory leadership Boris was probably the only one that might have given the country a change to row back on the impending disaster.

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I think the problem with Boris is that he is simply not competent enough to do the job. No grasp of detail or willingness to apply himself and was really just part time as MoL, He even found time to write books.What you see is what you get and it isn't enough to run a country - he has never held a government post either.

 

Gove is cleverer but convinced he is always right to the extent that he always gets the other party's back up and loses co operation. He has also behaved pretty badly, again probably from a misplaced belief that he is cleverer than the others and must therefore follow his convictions - not the best way to win friends and influence people which whoever wins is going to have to spend a lot of time doing.

 

Theresa May is probably a relatively safe pair of hands which is quite likely what will be needed in the short to medium term.

 

The others don't really count.

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I think the problem with Boris is that he is simply not competent enough to do the job. No grasp of detail or willingness to apply himself and was really just part time as MoL, He even found time to write books.What you see is what you get and it isn't enough to run a country - he has never held a government post either.

 

Gove is cleverer but convinced he is always right to the extent that he always gets the other party's back up and loses co operation. He has also behaved pretty badly, again probably from a misplaced belief that he is cleverer than the others and must therefore follow his convictions - not the best way to win friends and influence people which whoever wins is going to have to spend a lot of time doing.

 

Theresa May is probably a relatively safe pair of hands which is quite likely what will be needed in the short to medium term.

 

The others don't really count.

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