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16 minutes ago, hf_uk said:

Interesting - but BF will have been disrupted by this significantly, in terms of marketing, passenger expectations, scheduling etc - so are you saying they won't get any recompense at all?

The various articles quoted in this thread are quite clear, for FSG to continue with new capital and guarantees, it has to be profitable and all contracts will be up for renegotiation. If they can’t show a way of being profitable they cannot continue. The good news is that Siem is trying to make it work and has paid the salaries for a month.

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In other words, from what has been said, it sounds like BF will have to accept a new deal if they want their ship.  Pressing for compensation would be unlikely to achieve anything useful.

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Just now, Gareth said:

In other words, from what has been said, it sounds like BF will have to accept a new deal if they want their ship.  Pressing for compensation would be unlikely to achieve anything useful.

Agreed... which sucks, considering the cost of the contract is already so high compared to what I.F was delivered. (mostly due to the bespoke bunkering solution)

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2 minutes ago, Gareth said:

...will have to accept a new deal if they want...

That sounds vaguely familiar. 😀 Ed

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BF could offer to pay a portion of the cost upfront, for the work already completed. This would give FSG some financial solvency. Problem is most of it would probably be spent on their parent companies builds rather than the ongoing construction of Honfleur...and why should BF fund that?

Siem have got them into this mess having them build RoRo's at cost and the yards labour expense hence why turnover was only €224m. They can't have it both ways, FSG is either a standalone company meaning Siem pay up for the builds or it's not and they cover all liabilities.

RoRo's maybe full of fresh air but they're not cheap, circa €50m and intervention vessels also carry a premium due to their specialisation, add the completion cost of WBY and it comes to a fair bit more than the published figure... my guesstimation, around €400m... essentially Siem get their ships for next to nothing and reap the charter reward plus to add insult to injury FSG have had to squeeze in another two before I.F2 begins,

 

 

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Looking at the FSG webcams over the weekend and in evenings, there would appear to be very little work going on in the Hall on Honfleur's successor there or on Honfleur  on the Pier. Has overtime, nightshift and weekend working stopped?

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30 minutes ago, jonno said:

BF could offer to pay a portion of the cost upfront, for the work already completed. This would give FSG some financial solvency. Problem is most of it would probably be spent on their parent companies builds rather than the ongoing construction of Honfleur...and why should BF fund that?

Siem have got them into this mess having them build RoRo's at cost and the yards labour expense hence why turnover was only €224m. They can't have it both ways, FSG is either a standalone company meaning Siem pay up for the builds or it's not and they cover all liabilities.

RoRo's maybe full of fresh air but they're not cheap, circa €50m and intervention vessels also carry a premium due to their specialisation, add the completion cost of WBY and it comes to a fair bit more than the published figure... my guesstimation, around €400m... essentially Siem get their ships for next to nothing and reap the charter reward plus to add insult to injury FSG have had to squeeze in another two before I.F2 begins,

Have Siem got the cash to float (excuse the pun) FSG through this sticky patch?

 

 

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On 04/02/2019 at 16:43, nottingham said:

Have Siem got the cash to float (excuse the pun) FSG through this sticky patch?

As the parent group has an EBITDA of over €1 billion and that 49% of FSG is made up of Siem RoRo I'd suggest that the answer is yes.

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Further to the news that Normandie will continue on sailing to Caen for the foreseeable future, our new booking confirmation arrived today highlighting the switch from Honfleur. As discussed BF were also able to upgrade us.

All perfectly simple and painless.

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20 hours ago, jonno said:

Further to the news that Normandie will continue on sailing to Caen for the foreseeable future, our new booking confirmation arrived today highlighting the switch from Honfleur. As discussed BF were also able to upgrade us.

All perfectly simple and painless.

What was your upgrade Jonno. I am curious?! :)

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2 hours ago, hf_uk said:

What was your upgrade Jonno. I am curious?! :)

We originally had a 4 berth outside on Honfleur which would have automatically have been allocated when the timetable was re adjusted.

We requested a commodore now it's back to Normandie and have been given 7107... we've never had that one and you do have to try them all don't you I'm sure it's a rule written somewhere? There's just two left for the set...00 & 03.

We've got 9006 coming back on Monty but as we've had that one before, we'll just have to book another trip won't we!

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Talking to a friend who works at BF, apparently 9009 bookings have had to be altered as a result of Honfleur being delayed. They also said that, despite customers not being able to book the different grades of cabin that are on Honfleur compared to Normandie, and Normandie compared to Etretat, the computer booking system they have cannot just transfer all the bookings from the Honfleur cabin allocation to the Normandie cabin allocation, so they are having to rebook/allocate all 9009 bookings on their system by hand! 

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We’ve got 9005 on Mont , I always wondered apart from Ponts balconies if there was any difference in size between the commodore cabins in the fleet.

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Just now, neilcvx said:

We’ve got 9005 on Mont , I always wondered apart from Ponts balconies if there was any difference in size between the commodore cabins in the fleet.

Yes there is.  Pont Aven’s are a league apart from anything else.  In fact, Pont’s DeLuxes are a league apart from the Commodores on the rest of the fleet.  Bretagne and Normandie pretty much have identical Commodores.  MSM’s are about the same size but have a 4th berth.

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4 minutes ago, Gareth said:

Yes there is.  Pont Aven’s are a league apart from anything else.  In fact, Pont’s DeLuxes are a league apart from the Commodores on the rest of the fleet.  Bretagne and Normandie pretty much have identical Commodores.  MSM’s are about the same size but have a 4th berth.

Thanks but I meant on the ships not ship from ship , if that makes sense.

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Oh I see - sorry! 😊

Yes, on each ship all the Commodores are basically the same as far as I know (except some are mirror images in their layout).

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2 hours ago, neilcvx said:

Thanks but I meant on the ships not ship from ship , if that makes sense.

Most run length ways with the beds in a bit of an alcove, the Pont's run width ways probably due to the balconies. The one's we've been in on her always have the beds closer to the door. 8411 for deffo, I had a look before posting, out of the 7 trips we've had on the Pont we've had that cabin 5 times. It's the same again 1st March,  although we've the port side coming back for a change, hurrah!

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Interesting article 

"  The Brittany Ferries owns eight vessels, the eleven operated. Three others are chartered, " explains Jean-Marc Roué. "On the  horizon of 5 to 6 years, half of our own fleet will be propelled to LNG. "

 

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2 hours ago, neilcvx said:

Interesting article 

"  The Brittany Ferries owns eight vessels, the eleven operated. Three others are chartered, " explains Jean-Marc Roué. "On the  horizon of 5 to 6 years, half of our own fleet will be propelled to LNG. "

 

the Pont Aven, Armorique & Mont St Michel can all be modified to run on gas without excessive work being done and possibly would have been if the infrastructure was in place back in 2015. The tie in with Total now makes the switch realistic, add Honfleur and there's your 4... half the owned fleet.

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2 minutes ago, jonno said:

the Pont Aven, Armorique & Mont St Michel can all be modified to run on gas without excessive work being done and possibly would have been if the infrastructure was in place back in 2015. The tie in with Total now makes the switch realistic, add Honfleur and there's your 4... half the owned fleet.

Would they need external tanks fitted for such a conversion or could they simply cut out the existing fuel tanks and install replacements? Ed. 

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1 minute ago, Cabin-boy said:

Would they need external tanks fitted for such a conversion or could they simply cut out the existing fuel tanks and install replacements? Ed. 

I have a feeling they'll all be external PA's deck 6 could house them, they could also go either side of the funnel once it's returned to it's former glory, same for MSM. There's more than enough space on the back of Armorique.

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And what would they then do with the internal tanks? Use then for extra ballast to offset the added weight higher up and rebalance the vessel or something else? Ed. 

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I really wouldn't want that much weight that high on a vessel - especially with  free surface. Eventually there must be a way for internal storage - look at the (infamous) Glen Sannox - she has internal tanks I believe.

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