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I see that P&O Cruises are getting rid of the Oriana next year, I've never sailed on her myself but my parents are big fans. 

I guess it's no surprise given the direction of P&Os recent ships, but I wonder where she'll end up? Personally I'd love to see Fred Olsen or even CMV buy her but perhaps a transfer to another Carnival brand is more likely?

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P&O  Cruises on Twitter have stated she is off to the 'domestic Chinese market'

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8 minutes ago, Jim said:

P&O  Cruises on Twitter have stated she is off to the 'domestic Chinese market'

Hmmm, that's a shame...

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One of my customers for translation here at the University of Angers is a specialist in the field of Chinese ocean cruising. Since 2006 the Chinese government has promoted the activity heavily and, as such, a large number of former European and US vessels have been sent to the market once they reach the end of their useful lives with western tourists. Originally they needed to completely reconfigure the interiors for Chinese tastes which are different from ours but now the Chinese are starting to acquire a wider range of tastes. The cruise lines, particularly Costa, Dream and NCL have also built vessels specifically for the Chinese market and even Le Ponant is now selling more exclusive options in the country. It also seems that supply is now outstripping demand after 10 years of rapid growth and some vessels are therefore being redeployed elsewhere in Asia, the Pacific and even sent back to the Med. It's possible that P&O hopes the style of Oriana will attract local travellers. The Chinese have also invested heavily in terminals in Shanghai, Hong Kong and Hainan Island to satisfy the demand domestically and are now targeting repeat cruise passengers who have exhausted the European and US/Caribbean sectors and are looking for alternatives. This idea of repeat cruising is very common in the west but less so in China which is one of the reasons demand has tailed off as many of those wealthy enough to travel have now done so and are subsequently looking for alternative holiday options. Ed

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Oriana is an attractive ship by today's standards but equally she is relatively small, 25 years old and does not have the high proportion of balcony cabins demanded by today's cruisers. Very much a 'previous generation' ship and probably quite expensive to run in costs per passenger.

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China hasn’t turned out to be the golden goose the American owned brands all expected. Of all the lines, the one that has done best there, and is buding two 180,000 tonne ships for it is Costa (glitzy, they like gold and glitz in Asia).

NCL - Norwegian Joy was meant to be there year round. It’s being pulled out of the market next year and sent to Alaska, after a $50m refit on a 2 year old ship which shows a) how many modifications a ship needs between the West and Far East and b) that NCL are serious. The Norwegian Pearl will be putting in a presence seasonally, no significant mods and is half the size.

Princess - Majestic Princess now spend longer sailing out of Australia, considering she was meant to really be for China.

Royal Caribbean International - they are building a new ship for there, Spectrum of the Seas for next year. But that replaces Quantum OTS which is there year round (rumour is going back to New York to displace Anthem OTS which is coming back to Southampton) and Ovation OTS which does a China and Australia season; it’s now leaving China, once they fix the propulsion problem with one of the azipods) and moving to do Alaska in the summer and remains Oz in the winter (Alaska will be boiling next summer with NCL Bliss and Joy there plus Oasis and Celebrity Eclipse is going there too).

Thats Carnival Corp, Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines and Norwegian Cruise Lines all been burnt in some way there, although the former less so with their Costa brand. The only other player in the Big Four is MSC and they’ve not even attempted it, they’re having challenges getting the Americans to cruise with them (they’re very successful in South America, it’s just the Yanks are a breed apart and like floating Americana).

It demonstrates that the China market is not as developed as the West yet but they keep their foot in the door as the potential is way beyond the rest of US, Europe, Australia.

Dont forget the locally owned brands though. Dream Cruises, owned by Genting (of Genting Arena and hotels, casinos fame), also owns Star Cruises which they’re merging together. Genting used to own a lot of NCL but not any more. With their Dream Cruises brand they’re expanding at an alarmingly fast rate - equivalent here would be how fast MSC are growing in Europe and the Americas - built two heavily modified NCL Breakaway class variants and now building two 200,000 tonne Global class ships.

Oriana’s old, her propulsion system is unreliable, but they spent a lot on her last year and personally I’d take her over Aurora any day. She is 25 years old... Bretagne, Barfleur, Nornandie, all older and probably less well looked after.

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On 30/06/2018 at 15:03, cvabishop said:

Oriana is an attractive ship by today's standards but equally she is relatively small, 25 years old and does not have the high proportion of balcony cabins demanded by today's cruisers. Very much a 'previous generation' ship and probably quite expensive to run in costs per passenger.

I quite like her size as she can sail directly into more intimate locations. I like that she only has one full deck of balcony cabins too, It stops her looking like a benidorm hotel.

Not a fan of most of the more modern horizontal skyscraper styles.

She was first P&O cruise ship with a full lipstick control system, her captain spent hours in the simulator to get a feel for it. She was a huge leap from Canberra.

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6 hours ago, Cabin-boy said:

Lipstick? Ed.  

It's what they call the joystick for the bridge main steering control, a bit like your old Atari with pacman on it.

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46 minutes ago, jonno said:

your old Atari with pacman

I'm not that old. Sega Megadrive maybe. 😀 Ed. 

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5 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

I'm not that old. Sega Megadrive maybe. 😀 Ed. 

Yer not far behind... you went to the same uni as me during roughly the same time. You probably sat in Verdi's at the same time too.

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I couldn't afford Verdi's. It was OK for you post-grads with nothing to do all day. I was more often in Spud-U-Like (in Union Street I think). Ed

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