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15 hours ago, hf_uk said:

Thanks! So  - does that mean the she essentially burns 'loco-diesel' so is scrubber exempt?

MGO, same as Bretagne... Scrubbers, don't get me started on that white elephant.

 

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Yes, she has.  Which comes back to my question of what the possible rationale could be in spending money repainting a ship in obsolete livery immediately after the high-profile launch of the new branding.

The only explanation that I can think of is that they haven’t developed an Economie version of the new branding.  (And they don’t want (yet) to paint BDS in a non-Economie livery because of the messages that would send).

If I am right, then the non-development of an Economie version of the new branding is interesting in itself, in that it infers strongly that they must have no use for it going forwards.

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It didn't even need to be a new branding though - just change the font and the wave logo to the new versions - leave the rest as is (ie blue wavy hull). Spend all that money developing the new money, to not implement it.

Very strange

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12 hours ago, The Ferry Man said:

It didn't even need to be a new branding though - just change the font and the wave logo to the new versions - leave the rest as is (ie blue wavy hull). Spend all that money developing the new money, to not implement it.

Very strange

Far be it from me to be obsessive about shower curtains (!😉), but I had the pleasure of travelling on Arm and Pont this weekend. 
Although far from being a 'job done' - I was quite impressed that everything in the bathrooms seemed to be 'neutralised' - presumably in the interim period before containers are re-painted, branded soap packets and headed note paper arrives. The cups were pure white, soap was a third-party brand with no BF logo/reference on, and it seemed to be that the shower curtains were new (pure white), with no flags etc... or at least in the cabins I had. 

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I'd be surprised if they bother rebranding them later. If they have found a supplier for neutral products which is good value then they are likely to stick with them. I'm not convinced they need to have the logo on them to be honest. And a tiny saving here and there adds up in the long term. There is the famous story back in (I believe) the 80 or 90s where American Airlines saved $40,000 in one year by removing a single olive from its in-flight salads. The cost of the olives and the weight they represented (extra fuel costs) was significant and virtually none of the passengers noticed. Ed. 

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There is the famous story back in (I believe) the 80 or 90s where American Airlines saved $40,000 in one year by removing a single olive from its in-flight salads. The cost of the olives and the weight they represented (extra fuel costs) was significant and virtually none of the passengers noticed. Ed. 

Which is why aircraft will be standing room only in the near future as legroom is reduced to the diameter of your knees!

The cruise industry has been doing something similar for years, chopping out all the little extras that used to be taken for granted such as the chocolate on your pillow and reduced dining choices and food quality. You used to be escorted to your cabin (sorry stateroom) but now you are just pointed in the right direction. People did notice though and some of these things have been put back. (or charged for!)

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47 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

I'd be surprised if they bother rebranding them later. If they have found a supplier for neutral products which is good value then they are likely to stick with them. I'm not convinced they need to have the logo on them to be honest. And a tiny saving here and there adds up in the long term. There is the famous story back in (I believe) the 80 or 90s where American Airlines saved $40,000 in one year by removing a single olive from its in-flight salads. The cost of the olives and the weight they represented (extra fuel costs) was significant and virtually none of the passengers noticed. Ed. 

There is a ugly truth about cost savings, weight, and Americans which I refuse to highlight there!:)

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BF will maintain the vessel in keeping with the charter contract nothing more, originally painting the wavy navy on her was cheap and easy to match Etretat who already wore it from her days with LD. Why should BF spend the time and money re measuring and re stencilling the livery of a ship which in 12 months will be painted all white again?

I very much doubt Etretat will see the new livery either.

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Just now, jonno said:

maintain the vessel in keeping with the charter contract nothing more, originally painting the wavy navy on her was cheap and easy to match Etretat who already wore it from her days with LD. W

 

1 minute ago, jonno said:

BF will maintain the vessel in keeping with the charter contract nothing more, originally painting the wavy navy on her was cheap and easy to match Etretat who already wore it from her days with LD. Why should BF spend the time and money re measuring and re stencilling the livery of a ship which in 12 months will be painted all white again?

I very much doubt Etretat will see the new livery either.

Agreed...

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12 minutes ago, jonno said:

BF will maintain the vessel in keeping with the charter contract nothing more, originally painting the wavy navy on her was cheap and easy to match Etretat who already wore it from her days with LD. Why should BF spend the time and money re measuring and re stencilling the livery of a ship which in 12 months will be painted all white again?

I very much doubt Etretat will see the new livery either.

Spot on @jonno, I'm sure neither ship will be. 

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Does anyone know why the NEX would not have had the new livery applied for this season?

It seems like a small job - and they had a long time to do it!

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Don’t know for sure hf, but my theory is that they wanted to unveil it on Pont Aven first, and NEX had her refit before PA.  So they had to repaint NEX in the old livery to avoid spoiling the big unveiling, and having already repainted her they were not going to do it again.  But that’s just my theory.

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....a theory which does not, of course, explain the mystery of BDS.  Hf, if you have any thoughts on that I’d love to hear them.

(General consensus on here, from those who have chipped in, seems to be that it would have been more expensive to change the livery than to repaint in the old one, for a ship that will be leaving the fleet soon.  But I’m not (yet) quite convinced by that reasoning).

(After all....Bretagne will be leaving the fleet soon, and yet.......🤭).

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Personally I would have made the effort to re-paint her even so!... She is quite a high-visibility vessel, unlike your standard 'ferry' shape trudging along on the horizon... this big catamaran style, darting along at high speed. What with the re-branding happening, people will see less and less of the old flags logo, and more and more of the new one. It's good exposure to the new brand if little Johnny sees that on his holidays and the goes back home and identifies it will all the other BF ships, as opposed to looking like a completely different company, and BF having to wait another year to shout about it! 

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5 hours ago, Gareth said:

....a theory which does not, of course, explain the mystery of BDS.  Hf, if you have any thoughts on that I’d love to hear them.

(General consensus on here, from those who have chipped in, seems to be that it would have been more expensive to change the livery than to repaint in the old one, for a ship that will be leaving the fleet soon.  But I’m not (yet) quite convinced by that reasoning).

(After all....Bretagne will be leaving the fleet soon, and yet.......🤭).

My First thought actually came back to this with NEx... she is, what 19 years now - that is fairly old for a HSC; Could it be a final season for her? She was alongside Bretagne when she was painted, and NEx would be somewhat simpler to repaint I would have thought.

(*I know, that is the extreme end of the scale...*)

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I think I might have mentioned it before, but I wonder if painting an aluminium vessel is more complicated or requires different equipment than with steel. Ed. 

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I think I might have mentioned it before, but I wonder if painting an aluminium vessel is more complicated or requires different equipment than with steel. Ed

You may well be right there Ed.

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With Pont Aven scheduled for "several months in dry dock in early 2020 " as stated in the press release. Presumably we can expect Bretagne to have a busier winter? Unless they put Armorique on St Malo? Long way ahead, but was wondering what plans they might make.

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27 minutes ago, Tumnus2010 said:

They tend to close Plymouth down over winter

They do but if Armorique has to cover St Malo when Plymouth reopens we do get the chance of going Plymouth to St Malo, which makes a change.

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