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25 minutes ago, Paully said:

I think Neil would disagree with that one😂🤣😂

I most certainly would can’t believe  I’m doing it again at least Glastonbury isn’t on .

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I do wonder if we are losing sight of the basics on this.

The fundamental issue is that if more detailed customs checks are required at the ports (on both sides of the Channel) this will lead to delays with a consequential backup of traffic, primarily commercial freght. The delay can be quantified in hours which may change during the course of the day.

The haulier's concern will be the overall travel time from pickup point on one side of the Channel to delivery point at the other.

If delays at Dover/Calais are seen to be too great then an alternative is to choose a different combination of ports where the delays at the port may be less but offsetting this will be the extra driving time so the total travel time may end up being the same as simply waiting to transit through Dover/Calais. Plus of course there will be extra fuel costs in re routeing.

Whether or not it makes sense to re route will depend on a number of factors. In some case a western channel port may not entail too much extra driving if you are starting from the west Midlands and heading down to southern France (in which case you may well be using BF anyway!). but if your destination is Holland or Germany  then rerouting may carry a heavy time and fuel penalty and overall travel time could well exceed that of waiting to go through Dover/Calais.

Every case will turn on its own merits taking into account whatever the current delay is on the Dover/Calais route if that is the one you would normally use.

So the best thing for the haulier would be current accurate information on port delays and a facility to switch bookings so they can judge for themselves the right option.

I suspect that critical cargoes such as medicines would be re routed away from ferry ports. The army military port at Southampton for example.

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Perhaps the wise should be putting all their money into Mulberry harbour manufacturing as the most sensible way to get round the short comings' in the UK port infrastructure. Lorries could be parked up while new customs officers and vets are trained over the next few years.😀

 

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I still think there is a lot of scare mongering going on.  Customs clearance should be a paper exercise, unless the transport firms cannot be trusted to declare what they are carrying, in which case you hammer that firm and make it difficult for them.  What would we need vets for?  We accept the EU standards for animals now, what will change?  We can still use the pet passport scheme.  All goods coming in only need to be checked as much as we want them checked, as for the other side it is up to France etc to decide how much checks and hold ups they want on their side, they could be awkward and check every truck or be realistic and just do spot checks.

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52 minutes ago, Solo said:

I still think there is a lot of scare mongering going on.  Customs clearance should be a paper exercise, unless the transport firms cannot be trusted to declare what they are carrying, in which case you hammer that firm and make it difficult for them.  What would we need vets for?  We accept the EU standards for animals now, what will change?  We can still use the pet passport scheme.  All goods coming in only need to be checked as much as we want them checked, as for the other side it is up to France etc to decide how much checks and hold ups they want on their side, they could be awkward and check every truck or be realistic and just do spot checks.

Solo, if there was any truth in what you have just said why have the tax payers just made a £107.7m payment to the three ferry companies. Why are we renting cold storage capacity until there is no capacity left? You may consider it scare mongering, let's hope you are right and all the expertise of the government and major companies who operate cross channel are wrong.

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The farmers here in Cornwall are afraid they won't be able to export lamb to France  

The fishermen are afraid that import duties will kill their export trade to Spain 

A local wine importer says he will buy more from South Africa instead of from Europe.

My friend with a Motorhome says he's not going to Spain if EHIC cards are abolished and there  is a 90 day visa limit 

So add it all up and the government decides we need more cross channel ferries. 

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7 minutes ago, wortley said:

The farmers here in Cornwall are afraid they won't be able to export lamb to France  

The fishermen are afraid that import duties will kill their export trade to Spain 

A local wine importer says he will buy more from South Africa instead of from Europe.

My friend with a Motorhome says he's not going to Spain if EHIC cards are abolished and there  is a 90 day visa limit 

So add it all up and the government decides we need more cross channel ferries. 

Oh dear - more doom and gloom …… It's all an unknown quantity which could actually turn out better for the UK - why not wait and see what transpires 

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4 hours ago, Solo said:

I think that is where the gains could be made, educate the normal traveller they do not have to go East to Dover and then drive west in France to get where they want to go.  On Motorhome sites it's surprising how many drive to Dover and then drive southwest right across France to get to Spain and they'll take crossings in the middle of the night to get it when cheaper and not so busy.  If they could get all traffic heading for anywhere west of Paris to look at crossings further West it would certainly help.  Perhaps they should make it cheaper when unsociable arrivals and departures are involved as they do at Dover.

That's because they'd rather spend the money on fuel then moan about their mpg and also crow about how little they've spent on tolls etc rather than pay for a comfy crossing and not kip in a Calais supermarket car park... This is of course after having forked out between an average of £30-100k for their van.

Motorhoming isn't cheap, I don't know why there are those who own them that think it is.

It is changing, the younger ones buying them to use for holidays are also snapping up Club Voyage memberships and sailing to Spain.

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One other thing I missed earlier, the pound is going to crash, so we won't be able to afford any imports.  Of course if tourist stop going abroad just think what a bonus for our own tourism.  As an ex fisherman the fishing is a difficult one, as it was when we joined the Common market, we need control of our own waters but will they make it difficult to export to the EU, the best answer would be to encourage more people to eat fish in this country, which would be a good thing for our health.

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48 minutes ago, Manxscorpio said:

Oh dear - more doom and gloom …… It's all an unknown quantity which could actually turn out better for the UK - why not wait and see what transpires 

Because it should have been all done and dusted by now and we are left in the dark due to the ineptitude of all our politicians.

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1 hour ago, G4rth said:

Solo, if there was any truth in what you have just said why have the tax payers just made a £107.7m payment to the three ferry companies. Why are we renting cold storage capacity until there is no capacity left? You may consider it scare mongering, let's hope you are right and all the expertise of the government and major companies who operate cross channel are wrong.

What they are doing now, is what they should have done quite some time ago..That is making a statement of intent to the EU and long overdue. Who knows if they had done it much earlier then I think the deal she was offered would have been much better.

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6 minutes ago, neilcvx said:

Because it should have been all done and dusted by now and we are left in the dark due to the ineptitude of all our politicians.

Exactly Neil, there was no pre-planning for a Leave vote, the establishment and most MPs didn't want to leave and have just made it difficult instead of following the "will of the people".   Vince Cable was on Radio Cornwall recently, when he was asked why when Cornwall voted to leave by a wide margin was he ignoring it, he said "We're not ignoring it but"  he wants us to vote again until we give the right answer.  They keep wanting a peoples vote, as one of our MPs said "So voted last time if it wasn't people?"

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39 minutes ago, neilcvx said:

Because it should have been all done and dusted by now and we are left in the dark due to the ineptitude of all our politicians.

There are two sides to this - UK and EU - which cant be "done and dusted "  where no satisfactory agreements can be reached ?

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12 minutes ago, Manxscorpio said:

There are two sides to this - UK and EU - which cant be "done and dusted "  where no satisfactory agreements can be reached ?

Hence why I posted the word “all” in my post.

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I thought this thread was about brexit and bf?it is starting to get comments on about pros and cons of the uk staying in or leaving with a no deal.lets face what do we know when the idiots who run the country have no idea themselves.has for bf and brexit of course it is going to effect them if there is a no deal.this has been said before most booking are paid in sterling so if the pound crashes if there is a no deal it is going to hit bf very hard.looking also pound crashes this will effect us all with our crossings to France and Spain .we can only hope it does not come to this but the clock is running down.bf are investing big money but will it end being a big mistake if there is a no deal.

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3 minutes ago, nodwad said:

I thought this thread was about brexit and bf?it is starting to get comments on about pros and cons of the uk staying in or leaving with a no deal

Fully agree, this thread should be about the affect on BF of Brexit, straying into how it affects our future trips is probably ok as well.

It is not helpful to extend to whether we think it is a good idea or not

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11 minutes ago, nodwad said:

 most booking are paid in sterling so if the pound crashes if there is a no deal it is going to hit bf very hard.looking also pound crashes this will effect us all with our crossings to France and Spain .we can only hope it does not come to this

More "Iffs and buts" here... however IF the Euro crashes …….. (they need the 39 Billion)…...

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I think that the timetable changes could well annoy established customers - the quote from the Guardian is

"chief executive, Christophe Mathieu, said: “We will also work hard to minimise impact on existing Brittany Ferries freight customers and passengers, although there may be some changes to some sailing times, for which we apologise in advance.”

I have already switched one of my crossings away from Le Havre to Ouistreham, at least I have more certainty to plan. I had originally booked an overnight to Le Havre and have switched to an afternoon crossing to Ouisterham. 

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On 30/12/2018 at 11:50, David Williams said:

It would be straightforward to publish a priority list of types of traffic to get priority which could include time critical loads for JIT, medicine etc and give less priority to loads needing inspections / lorries from Ireland etc.. 

All the Viagra comes from Cork so those Irish lorries will need priority. That great stiff upper lip will need all the assistance it can get....

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1 hour ago, des said:

All the Viagra comes from Cork so those Irish lorries will need priority. That great stiff upper lip will need all the assistance it can get....

Someone has been giving a lot of that to the Twin Sails Bridge in Poole..

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What do you think ? MV BRETAGNE could be used on LE HAVRE / PORTSMOUTH / ST MALO - ST MALO / PORTSMOUTH / LE HAVRE route to increase the number of crossing between Le Havre and Portsmouth, with ETRETAT fron MArch 29th ?   Just an idea ???

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So your plan is for St Malo to go down to 3-4 sailings per week?  What’s your rationale for that?

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26 minutes ago, Gareth said:

So your plan is for St Malo to go down to 3-4 sailings per week?  What’s your rationale for that?

And surely Bretagne is probably the vessel you look to least bar Nex to increase freight capacity..

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2 hours ago, Tumnus2010 said:

And surely Bretagne is probably the vessel you look to least bar Nex to increase freight capacity..

 

2 hours ago, Gareth said:

So your plan is for St Malo to go down to 3-4 sailings per week?  What’s your rationale for that?

 

 

Sorry, i think it was possible only on Winter Timetable.

 

 

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