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Perhaps BF might be better examining what they could do better themselves. The airline package holiday business, so far, is up 14% on this time last year, despite the same Brexit uncertainty. 

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I’ve heard that 14% figure before but never seen a link to verify it, I’m not doubting it but it would be interesting to see it in context.

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I wonder if it is linked to an increase in preference for holidays away from the EU during the immediate period of uncertainty?

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19 minutes ago, neilcvx said:

I’ve heard that 14% figure before but never seen a link to verify it, I’m not doubting it but it would be interesting to see it in context.

Got it from Travelmole a few weeks ago..I`ll see if its still available

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I would have felt that holiday travel should continue more or less as is, after all holidays are taken outside Europe all the time with various paperwork requirements etc. and it doesn't seem to cause problems. It is in the interests of both sides and especially on the European to allow hassle free travel that brings in tourist spending.

Any problems are likely to be as a side effect of trade associated procedures such as being stuck on the M20 trying to get to Dover behind thousands of trucks!

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David Davis was happy to admit that he doesn't do detail. You can see why BF are expressing concern as it looks lke the law of unintended consequences will go into overdrive based on flawed decisions made by incompetent politicians. I just wonder how many of these people have actually ever travelled through Dover and seen for themselves the scale of the operation there.

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16 hours ago, cvabishop said:

I would have felt that holiday travel should continue more or less as is, after all holidays are taken outside Europe all the time with various paperwork requirements etc. and it doesn't seem to cause problems. It is in the interests of both sides and especially on the European to allow hassle free travel that brings in tourist spending.

Any problems are likely to be as a side effect of trade associated procedures such as being stuck on the M20 trying to get to Dover behind thousands of trucks!

Of course things will settle, but I think it's more a concern about the agreement and preparations being in place in time. Much like the concerns with airlines, I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting they will never fly again, but it isn't unimaginable that those first few weeks are chaotic.

 

If anything, my impression is that the ferries may be a safer bet than flying (depending on the airline I suppose, Easyjet are now Austrian as mitigation).

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On 08/11/2018 at 13:45, penguin said:

a little pedantic?

Although it would be interesting to hear how shipping compares to airlines, perhaps it's less interesting to the media, but I haven't heard anything that suggests there are anywhere near the number of certification issues.

Easyjet bookings are up for next year which seems to answer the question we discussed last month.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46272628

Ed. 

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1 minute ago, neilcvx said:

Is that not partially due to Ryanair having such a bad year?

Very possibly, but I don't know how many of their routes coincide. Maybe people don't decide where they want to go then look for flights but instead look for flights to anywhere that seems likely or cheap. Ed. 

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Ryanair have had a bad press, I agree, but looking at the September 2018 figures for both airlines Ryanair carried 12.6 million pax whilst Easyjet`s were 8.8million. Easyjet are trying to break into the dreaded package holiday market as an alternative to just being a point to point carrier. But they have a long way to go to beat the top three of  Tui, Jet2 and Thomas Cook, although they do a lot of seat onlys for Thomas Cook which is maybe where they are showing growth.

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I just wonder if people who would otherwise have booked a ferry crossing and holiday have opted for a fly-drive package next year due to uncertainty about the ease of driving through Europe post-Brexit. Ed. 

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Quite probably.

The same sort of people who believed the “An extra hospital every week” nonsense, may now think that they’ll need a 3 month advance notice visa in order to gain entry to France !

I really do sometimes wonder.   No ........ I wonder most of the time !

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Gardian said:

Quite probably.

The same sort of people who believed the “An extra hospital every week” nonsense, may now think that they’ll need a 3 month advance notice visa in order to gain entry to France !

 

Well of course they will, providing they have correctly filled in the 5 page application. Have got all their `jabs` for foreign countries up to date and obtained an international Driving permit in all other 27 languages. Not of course forgetting a current CRB check for all those over 18years...

 

 

 

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Just an addendum, I`ve been monitoring prices on the Portsmouth St Malo route for late June and the prices are starting to rise as well as some grades of cabins already sold out. Although we have already booked our main accommodation through BF, for which we have a handy 20% discount, entirely due to indecision on the rest of the trip, we haven`t booked the crossing. Looks like we`ve missed out on the cheaper prices. So BF are selling well on some sailings, despite their apparent gloom.

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7 hours ago, Paully said:

Just an addendum, I`ve been monitoring prices on the Portsmouth St Malo route for late June and the prices are starting to rise as well as some grades of cabins already sold out. Although we have already booked our main accommodation through BF, for which we have a handy 20% discount, entirely due to indecision on the rest of the trip, we haven`t booked the crossing. Looks like we`ve missed out on the cheaper prices. So BF are selling well on some sailings, despite their apparent gloom.

It would be interesting to know which of the routes is/are down for next year at this stage. I assume its the French ones and that the Spanish sailings are as popular as ever. 

Paully, I still suggest you go for NEX for your June trip. You won't regret it. Ed. 

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Why would you need a visa? They weren't necessary before we joined the EEC, except for communist countries such as Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. Drove to or through both of those in the 1960s and getting a visa was very simple. We just sent our passports to their embassy(s) in London with a small fee and they came back by return. As young people at the time, we regarded it as part of the 'glamour' of overseas travel.

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6 hours ago, Cabin-boy said:

Paully, I still suggest you go for NEX for your June trip. You won't regret it. Ed. 

 

I`m tempted to return on her, as on that day she docks 30mins before the Bretagne and really would like to give it a go BUT Mrs P is an afficionado of the buffet lunch on the Bretagne..Honestly by the time we overcome our indecision, we won`t be able to afford to travel..

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3 hours ago, BBCone said:

Why would you need a visa? They weren't necessary before we joined the EEC, except for communist countries such as Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. Drove to or through both of those in the 1960s and getting a visa was very simple. We just sent our passports to their embassy(s) in London with a small fee and they came back by return. As young people at the time, we regarded it as part of the 'glamour' of overseas travel

I had to visit Romania in 1999. Back then a visa was required to enter so I had to send off the passport to the Romanian embassy with some extra pictures and a bunch of other stuff.

Should have taken the Romanian embassy two weeks to return it took a considerable while longer so much so I had to delay a booked trip to France.  Thankfully BF were very understanding and rearranged my trip without additional costs. 

Whilst to some it may have seemed "glamorous" for those of us that need to travel regularly for both personal and business reasons the EU removal of "red tape" has been a godsend.

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5 hours ago, d2frs said:

I had to visit Romania in 1999. Back then a visa was required to enter so I had to send off the passport to the Romanian embassy with some extra pictures and a bunch of other stuff.

Should have taken the Romanian embassy two weeks to return it took a considerable while longer so much so I had to delay a booked trip to France.  Thankfully BF were very understanding and rearranged my trip without additional costs. 

Whilst to some it may have seemed "glamorous" for those of us that need to travel regularly for both personal and business reasons the EU removal of "red tape" has been a godsend.

Ah the good old days of having two passports!

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