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17 hours ago, colin said:

Admins. Perhaps the 2 relevant threads could be merged?

I did look at doing this a while back (when the policy was announced) but it seemed too complicated (as the issue was actually being discussed in four different threads.  But when I get a moment I’ll look to see if there is anything that can be done without compromising the flow of discussion in other threads.

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19 hours ago, Trun said:

Poole - Cherbourg timetable has been updated today. 3 rotations per day from 29th March until 12th May. Affects a mini-break I will be taking, so as I'm going with a group, we may slip by 1 day to get daytime sailings.

 

Poole - Cherbourg timetable...

https://www.brittany-ferries.co.uk/ferry-routes/ferries-france/poole-cherbourg/timetable

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Technical correction, the expanded timetable for April and May is not 3 rotations, it is 1.5 rotations.  Three sailings per day, one in one direction and two in the other.

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1 minute ago, Gareth said:

I wonder why the enhanced sailings stop on 12 May?

It's about a week after NEX starts which might suggest some plan that's not yet finalised. Ed. 

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1 hour ago, Cabin-boy said:

It'll be interesting to see what other feedback they get in the coming months as other people find their holiday plans disrupted, especially if it turns out the changes are not actually necessary until later in the year, or not at all. Maybe that £46m will be needed to compensate their disgruntled customers. 😀 Ed. 

 

I wonder if part of the deal is that the contractors will receive stage payments when there is evidence that capcity is actually available. Seabourne Freight no cash just now (never??), but maybe BF get some money up front by being able to show that they have the timetable and ships to honour the contract. I suppose they may be balancing relatively easy cash now against a few disgruntled customers (and I wonder how negotiations with the crew went?). Presumably if Brexit doesn't happen, or their is a "perfect" deal, the extra sailings are cancelled and BF keeps the up front cash.

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11 minutes ago, Altranter said:

 

I wonder if part of the deal is that the contractors will receive stage payments when there is evidence that capcity is actually available. Seabourne Freight no cash just now (never??), but maybe BF get some money up front by being able to show that they have the timetable and ships to honour the contract. I suppose they may be balancing relatively easy cash now against a few disgruntled customers (and I wonder how negotiations with the crew went?). Presumably if Brexit doesn't happen, or their is a "perfect" deal, the extra sailings are cancelled and BF keeps the up front cash.

I doubt they'll cancel the extra sailings now they've moved people around which would just cause further problems. But you might have hit on the reason why they've not published any changes after 12 May as they may be waiting for further developments in the Brexit process before deciding what to do (and the current changes equate to just the first tranche of government payments). Ed

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17 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

It's about a week after NEX starts which might suggest some plan that's not yet finalised. Ed. 

Indeed.  My thoughts too.

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Something that these revised timings tell me is that this confirms that BF believes that Barfleur can no longer reliably manage a 2-rotations-per-day schedule.  It they thought she could, I reckon that’s what we’d have seen in the revised schedules.  (Would have enabled the enhanced service without compromising existing bookings that we based on the morning departure from Poole).

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The change to the Barfleur's schedule adds just three of the 19 additional return sailings. Presumably the plan is for the Armorique to be re-scheduled to add three further return crossings to/from Plymouth and the Pont could fit in a return trip on a Friday rather than sitting in Roscoff all day. That is seven additional return crossings.

For Le Havre. Etretat could move to three sailings a day, and the BD could add a crossing on a  Friday rather than being in Le Have all day.

But that still leaves BF well short of 19 return crossings??

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Maybe it will be more of a cascade system with hauliers encouraged to push their freight units one port westwards. So Roscoff gets 50% of Cherbourg's work and Cherbourg gets 75% of Le Havre's work meaning it can offer 125% of its current capacity plus even more with a two-ship operation. Ed. 

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I'm amazed that BF cannot or will not post a revised timetable for the effected routes for a couple of months after March 29th.

Bit like booking a flight and praying that airline doesn't go broke!

How do you sell a trip or holiday knowing that the transport arrangements are not firm and could vary? Its bad enough living in the "dead limb" of England (near Plymouth) in a transport sense. Come on BF, tell us the planned revised timetables so that the 80% or so of your traffic (pax /cars etc) can make plans.

I'm very grateful you serve us down here but join with us and come clean please.

Stu

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Dead limb? Just think you are lucky then us people who travel from Scotland and north east England .i think you should be happy with your lot with ferry ports not to far away.

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1 hour ago, nodwad said:

you Dead limb? Just think you are lucky then us people who travel from Scotland and north east England .i think you should be happy with your lot with ferry ports not to far away.

Hi Nodwad,

You've just proved it. Traveling from up country to the south west.

1. One rail line- disaster in the winter unless you have shares in a replacement coach business.
2. M5 /A303/A35- huge delays in Summer. Still waiting for dual lanes from Stonehenge to Exeter.
3. Haldon Hill west of Exeter- a winter hazard all round.
4. Lack of expansion to Exeter "International" airport.
5.  A30 into Cornwall!

Great place to live though. Wouldn't change that.

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1 hour ago, straightfeed said:

Hi Nodwad,

You've just proved it. Traveling from up country to the south west.

1. One rail line- disaster in the winter unless you have shares in a replacement coach business.
2. M5 /A303/A35- huge delays in Summer. Still waiting for dual lanes from Stonehenge to Exeter.
3. Haldon Hill west of Exeter- a winter hazard all round.
4. Lack of expansion to Exeter "International" airport.
5.  A30 into Cornwall!

Great place to live though. Wouldn't change that.

That precisely why I cant see Roscoff Plymouth being anything other than a `Last resort` for hauliers ...Mate of mine who does holiday in Cornwall, now travels through the night and avoids weekends!!

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9 minutes ago, Paully said:

That precisely why I cant see Roscoff Plymouth being anything other than a `Last resort` for hauliers ...Mate of mine who does holiday in Cornwall, now travels through the night and avoids weekends!!

That’s what we’re doing , the things you do to avoid going on that old ferry 😉

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1 hour ago, neilcvx said:

That’s what we’re doing , the things you do to avoid going on that old ferry 😉

She might be old and the entertainment crap... but she`s comfortable and convenient and avoids the Goddam M5...rather you than me Neil🤣😂

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11 minutes ago, Paully said:

She might be old and the entertainment crap... but she`s comfortable and convenient and avoids the Goddam M5...rather you than me Neil🤣😂

Was £170 more to sail on the Friday night from StMalo compared to Friday morning from Plymouth  and we would have a longer drive to our French destination so the £70 for the ibis in Roscoff for Friday night makes that more convinent and cost effective plus the cabins on Armorique are a class above Bretagnes so comforts there too.

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30 minutes ago, neilcvx said:

Was £170 more to sail on the Friday night from StMalo compared to Friday morning from Plymouth  and we would have a longer drive to our French destination so the £70 for the ibis in Roscoff for Friday night makes that more convinent and cost effective plus the cabins on Armorique are a class above Bretagnes so comforts there too.

Don`t blame you for that kind of saving...but its still the trek to Plymouth that puts me off..still one day maybe

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10 hours ago, Cabin-boy said:

There is at least one BF customer on their Twitter feed who is unhappy with the timetable changes. It'll be interesting to see what other feedback they get in the coming months as other people find their holiday plans disrupted, especially if it turns out the changes are not actually necessary until later in the year, or not at all. Maybe that £46m will be needed to compensate their disgruntled customers. 😀 Ed. 

The Customer was unhappy as they have cancelled a sailing over Easter which is a very busy time,  I suspect that this will affect a number of people

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I don't think there is any particular reason behind it. I think the schedule changes planned will all happen, or at least are being prepared for, and there isn't any bias towards one port or another. Poole-Cherbourg is a cheap crossing to run, it's short and direct, and the existing schedule is fairly lax to say the least. Plymouth-Roscoff, despite being distinctly quiet at the moment, escalates in Spring, and is significantly more costly in terms of fuel/staff etc. I would just imagine they don't want to tell all passengers booked on existing sailings at the same time. Can you imagine the chaos of mass-rebooking existing sailings on all 3 routes? 

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2 minutes ago, hf_uk said:

I would just imagine they don't want to tell all passengers booked on existing sailings at the same time. Can you imagine the chaos of mass-rebooking existing sailings on all 3 routes? 

But that doesn't make sense. If someone is bumped off Poole to Cherbourg as the new times don't suit their holiday plans and then opts for Plymouth to Roscoff as an alternative, how impressed are they going to be two weeks later when they learn that they need to change again? Unless of course they are offering unpublished sailings to those passengers with the sweetener that they get first choice of cabins and will then tackle the pre-booked travellers. Ed. 

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Sounds a bit of a mess. Holiday passengers usually have fairly specific sailing time requirements to fit in with their ultimate destinations on both sides of the Channel going and coming. Revised timings could result in a lot of inconvenience to say the very least.

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Would it be logical to run the over nights in the opposite direction on Plymouth Roscoff to Poole Cherbourg.

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