Jump to content
Northy

Government charter

Recommended Posts

6 minutes ago, jonno said:

I see HMG have finally given up on Seaborne due Irish backing mysteriously and suddenly dropping out. I wonder if they'll now approach P&O at Tilbury or Stena sailing from Harwich?

Yes funny that...seems Seaborne was in reality Arklow Shipping with both side complicit in hiding the fact...yes very mysterious Indeed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, Paully said:

Yes funny that...seems Seaborne was in reality Arklow Shipping with both side complicit in hiding the fact...yes very mysterious Indeed.

Could you explain how you came to the  conclusion  that Seaborne is Arklow  Shipping .

Edited by Chef

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, TonyMWeaver said:

Arklow Shipping was backing the deal with Seabourne Freight, but they pulled out.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-firm-with-no-ships-has-ferries-contract-cancelled-11632176

Yes i know that , the post by Paully says that Arklow and Seaborne are one and the same , which they are not . Anyhow Arklow do not operate Ro/Ro vessels , only bulk cargo and not even containers .  I can only imagine that Arklow's involvement was because of their ability to crew and charter vessels on Seabourne's behalf as a sub contract .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, Chef said:

Could you explain how you came to the  conclusion  that Seaborne is Arklow  Shipping .

Certainly........Seabourne haven`t a pot to do the proverbial in. Common sense tells you that they are a shell company. Arklow are an established shipping company, with a variety of vessels, a good reputation within the industry and no doubt an ability to obtain other vessels as and when available. Now if you are going to back an entity such as Seabourne business wise, then you are going to be in pretty deep are you not?

    However for whatever reasons and I think wise ones they have pulled out and thats that. Whatever their motive it isn`t now going to happen, so its put to bed. I presume that your line of questioning was because you thought I was impuning the name of an Irish company, which I most certainly was not, as you do seem to be sensitive to such issues in the past. Best wishes

Edited by Paully
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As I was going to sleep last night BBC radio news was telling me that Arklow had been the main backer of Seabourne with 60% stake .

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It was mentioned in the reports yesterday that the government is trying to find alternative operators to replace Seabourne Freight. I wonder if Seatruck Ferries is one of those. They seem to have a fairly substantial fleet but it may be all tied up on existing routes and charter contracts. Perhaps the real problem is that there simply aren't any available extra vessels out there at such short notice. Ed. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well....as far as Seabourne’s proposed operation is concerned, it’s not that short notice.  The plans to relaunch Ramsgate-Ostend have been in the pipeline, in some form or other, for a fair while.  It is only recently that HMG has been on the scene as an interested party, but the hunt for suitable tonnage to restart Ramsgate operations has been going, on and off, pretty much ever since TEF pulled out.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Paully said:

Certainly........Seabourne haven`t a pot to do the proverbial in. Common sense tells you that they are a shell company. Arklow are an established shipping company, with a variety of vessels, a good reputation within the industry and no doubt an ability to obtain other vessels as and when available. Now if you are going to back an entity such as Seabourne business wise, then you are going to be in pretty deep are you not?

    However for whatever reasons and I think wise ones they have pulled out and thats that. Whatever their motive it isn`t now going to happen, so its put to bed. I presume that your line of questioning was because you thought I was impuning the name of an Irish company, which I most certainly was not, as you do seem to be sensitive to such issues in the past. Best wishes

Was Arklow Shipping Seabourne's backer before or after Seabourne were awarded the contract  .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One o Seaborne's directors ran a couple of failed ship charter companies in the past, hence a potential connection with Arklow who are specialists in that business? I would guess they only became involved when government money was mooted.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, colin said:

One o Seaborne's directors ran a couple of failed ship charter companies in the past, hence a potential connection with Arklow who are specialists in that business? 

Is that really what you wanted to say? 😀 Ed. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
33 minutes ago, colin said:

One o Seaborne's directors ran a couple of failed ship charter companies in the past, hence a potential connection with Arklow who are specialists in that business? I would guess they only became involved when government money was mooted.

That's up there with Jacob Rees Mogg's recent Tweet hinting that the Irish Government might have put pressure on Arklow Shipping to pull out so as to cause a problem for the UK . Mr Mogg seems to be picking up the DUP's bad habit of making incendiary comments .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Perhaps the involvement of Arklow explains why the contract was given in the first place, it would certainly have looked more promising to the Civil servants that looked at it than the image of Seaborne that we have seen before.  

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm surprised that Arklow Shipping was even tentatively involved given that they have no RoRo experience.  Irish Ferries might have been a better partner as they appear to have a spare ship since the arrival of WBY.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Buzzbee said:

I'm surprised that Arklow Shipping was even tentatively involved given that they have no RoRo experience.  Irish Ferries might have been a better partner as they appear to have a spare ship since the arrival of WBY.  

You mean Oscar Wilde? Slim chance of getting that in Ramsgate, too many cabins and low freight capacity.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Epsilon is too big, she’s very long.

Irish Ferries need her freight capacity. It’s why when WB Yeats was late they kept Epsilon with its freight capacity on the Holyhead route and sent Oscar Wilde to Cherbourg instead.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, too big, too long, and will take too long to turnaround for a short-sea route from Kent.  They need small through-loaders that they can turn round in 90 minutes and get two round trips per day out of between Ramsgate and Ostend.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Grayling proving his utter incompetence again:

Ewan West, representing Grayling, told the judge the process was only for “maritime freight” services and, therefore, Eurotunnel “could never have provided that capacity” and “could not have complied” with the terms of the contracts.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/11/supposed-backer-of-no-ships-ferry-firm-says-they-had-no-deal

Never? Strong word. Oh, wait until someone points out that Getlink still owns Nord Pas-de-Calais

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×