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Armorique sailings Plymouth-Roscoff have now been cancelled, suggesting that Roscoff-Cork will take priority over Plymouth-Roscoff. Armorique would be unable to accommodate Cork-Roscoff sailings, when they are full, in the Summer, not entirely sure what BF would do in that circumstance (but I fully expect Pont Aven to be back by then). 

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To clarify, nothing further has been cancelled beyond the coming weekend, which we already knew about.

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8 minutes ago, Gareth said:

To clarify, nothing further has been cancelled beyond the coming weekend, which we already knew about.

Quite Right. I hadn't seen the posts. My apologies. 

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Just out of interest .. why does the Armorique  leave Cork at 21.30hrs on Saturday when the Pont Aven always leaves at 16.00hrs ....

11/05/19 Cork to Roscoff 16:00 - We are sorry to advise that as a result of a technical incident on board Pont-Aven, the departure from Cork to Roscoff on 11/05/19 will now leave at 21:30. Check-in at 20:30. Arrival in Roscoff is 11:00 Sunday morning. This crossing will be operated by Armorique. We apologise for the inconvenience

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12 minutes ago, Geezer said:

Just out of interest .. why does the Armorique  leave Cork at 21.30hrs on Saturday when the Pont Aven always leaves at 16.00hrs ....

Because she doesn’t arrive until 2000.

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1 minute ago, Gareth said:

Because she doesn’t arrive until 2000.

Well now that makes a whole lot of sense :) .... didn't even think about that.

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....and the reason she doesn’t arrive until then is that she doesn’t leave Roscoff for Cork until Saturday morning.  And the reason for that is that BF are balancing maintaining Plymouth and Cork sailings, and it is important that Armorique still covers the Friday night departure from Plymouth. 😀

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3 minutes ago, Gareth said:

....and the reason she doesn’t arrive until then is that she doesn’t leave Roscoff for Cork until Saturday morning.  And the reason for that is that BF are balancing maintaining Plymouth and Cork sailings, and it is important that Armorique still covers the Friday night departure from Plymouth. 😀

A heck of a lot of chopping and changing.

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Not really - Armorique just misses two Roscoff-Plymouth round trips between Saturday morning and Sunday afternoon. Then slots right back into her normal schedule with the 1630 ex-Roscoff for Plymouth on Sunday afternoon.

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Yes, she’s scheduled to sail to Santander (as she normally would on a Tuesday), but from Plymouth rather than Portsmouth.  (Presumably to give more time at the yard and to avoid the expense of a long trudge up the Channel without earning revenue).

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Oh - I’ve just read the article.  All her sailings to Spain have been diverted to Plymouth, to enable her to maintain her schedules without having to sail at full speed.

Maybe BF has been listening to hf_uk and has seen the light! 😀

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Yes, all sailings for the rest of the summer season presumably. That's going to throw a spanner in some holiday plans, I'd guess. Particularly for any foot passengers with rail or coach tickets booked to Portsmouth. Can she still do the Cork rotation in the time available or will they have to cancel the day-trip offers and amend the arrival and departure times?

And 'several months in dry dock'. That sounds like more than 8 weeks to me. 

Ed. 

Edited by Cabin-boy

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It would be better to get the engine replaced now so that it doesn't effect the summer mouths. Portsmouth to Santander on PA is very popular with bfenthusiats or for people who dislike the Cap. 

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Not just foot passengers. For those with longer journeys to and from Scotland, changes to hotel bookings and planning will probably be required.  Wonder when a revised timetable will be issued? Do the current Plymouth to Santander timings not assume that speed will be 23/24 knots rather than the proposed 20 knot max?

Malc

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19 minutes ago, Bf Bretagne said:

It would be better to get the engine replaced now so that it doesn't effect the summer mouths. Portsmouth to Santander on PA is very popular with bfenthusiats or for people who dislike the Cap. 

That would virtually rule her out for the summer, 2 months or more doing the work and that's after you've got the new engine, I don't think you'll get one off the shelf.

They'll go back to the old Plymouth timetable, without the crossing to Roscoff on the Tuesday, should leave her plenty of time to take it easy.

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1 hour ago, Bf Bretagne said:

It would be better to get the engine replaced now so that it doesn't effect the summer mouths. Portsmouth to Santander on PA is very popular with bfenthusiats or for people who dislike the Cap. 

If only it was that easy, a new engine will have to be ordered and built hence the 2020 plan.

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2 hours ago, Cabin-boy said:

Yes, all sailings for the rest of the summer season presumably. That's going to throw a spanner in some holiday plans, I'd guess. Particularly for any foot passengers with rail or coach tickets booked to Portsmouth. Can she still do the Cork rotation in the time available or will they have to cancel the day-trip offers and amend the arrival and departure times?

And 'several months in dry dock'. That sounds like more than 8 weeks to me. 

Ed. 

they have added an extra 1/2 hour to the arrival time into Roscoff  on Sunday  to cater for the slower operating speed . Customers will be happy at the later arrival time of 7:30 !!

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2 hours ago, Malc said:

Do the current Plymouth to Santander timings not assume that speed will be 23/24 knots rather than the proposed 20 knot max?

The point is that two Plymouth-Santander rotations at 20 knots will take less time than a Portsmouth-Santander and a Plymouth-Santander rotation at 24 knots.

I think pretty much most of the time, Pont Aven only needs 21-22 knots to maintain her summer schedules, with 24 knots only needed when there is a need to catch up lost time.  So I’d have thought she’d be able to manage on current departure times albeit with the Portsmouth departure going from Plymouth.

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13 minutes ago, The Ferry Man said:

Just had a look - a return train from Portsmouth to Plymouth is around £70, quite an extra cost to the trip

How many people will be based in vehicles compared to on foot though? A small proportion over the holiday season... And yes fuel costs money (not sure if BF are giving an allowance for this), but there is a perimeter in the country where it is basically the same cost, and beyond that, for some people less. Those travelling from the North West, Scotland, Wales etc can actually have a shorter journey.

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There is this somewhat strangely-worded message on the sailings update page. 

We're sorry to inform you that our ships will be out of service in order to carry out maintenance work. As a result, the following sailings have been CANCELLED. Please call +44 (0)1752 648637 for advice and assistance. Please accept our apologies for the inconvenience.

11/05/19 Roscoff to Plymouth 08:30
11/05/19 Plymouth to Roscoff 15:00
11/05/19 Roscoff to Plymouth 23:00
12/05/19 Plymouth to Roscoff 08:00
12/05/19 Roscoff to Plymouth 09:15
 
12/05/19 Plymouth to Roscoff 15:45 

And this about PA:

13/05/19 Santander to Portsmouth 15:15 - We’re sorry to inform you that due to an earlier technical incident, Pont-Aven is currently undergoing essential repairs, which are taking longer than planned. Unfortunately as a result, this sailing has been CANCELLED. Please call +44 (0)1752 648637 for advice and assistance. We’re sorry for the inconvenience this will cause.

The press release we all read earlier said that repairs were now completed:

'Having completed all mechanical and electrical repairs, as well as safety and cleaning work, regulatory tests have been carried out to the satisfaction of the ship’s captain, Bureau Veritas (French ship classification society) and the Navigation Safety Centre (French State Agency). She is now ready to resume operations in accordance with all safety regulations, running on three of her four engines.'

Strange! Ed. 

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12 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

There is this somewhat strangely-worded message on the sailings update page. 

We're sorry to inform you that our ships will be out of service in order to carry out maintenance work. As a result, the following sailings have been CANCELLED. Please call +44 (0)1752 648637 for advice and assistance. Please accept our apologies for the inconvenience.

11/05/19 Roscoff to Plymouth 08:30
11/05/19 Plymouth to Roscoff 15:00
11/05/19 Roscoff to Plymouth 23:00
12/05/19 Plymouth to Roscoff 08:00
12/05/19 Roscoff to Plymouth 09:15
 
12/05/19 Plymouth to Roscoff 15:45 

And this about PA:

13/05/19 Santander to Portsmouth 15:15 - We’re sorry to inform you that due to an earlier technical incident, Pont-Aven is currently undergoing essential repairs, which are taking longer than planned. Unfortunately as a result, this sailing has been CANCELLED. Please call +44 (0)1752 648637 for advice and assistance. We’re sorry for the inconvenience this will cause.

The press release we all read earlier said that repairs were now completed:

'Having completed all mechanical and electrical repairs, as well as safety and cleaning work, regulatory tests have been carried out to the satisfaction of the ship’s captain, Bureau Veritas (French ship classification society) and the Navigation Safety Centre (French State Agency). She is now ready to resume operations in accordance with all safety regulations, running on three of her four engines.'

Strange! Ed. 

I think that's all as expected.  The Ply/Ros sailings are the ones cancelled for the Arm to do Cork, perhaps the explanation is a bit funny.  The statement said the PA would start again on the 14th from Plymouth, so obviously the sailing on the 13th is cancelled.

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I get the cancellation bit. It's just the wording used: 'ships' (note the plural) and 'maintenance' (when Armorique is actually replacing PA) that seems odd. Ed. 

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