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This BBC report refers to historic aerial photos being made available by Cambridge University.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47319251

On checking it out, within the first few pages there are some interesting images of aerial shots of ferries  in the 1980s at Portsmouth, Southampton and Newhaven. Worth a browse if you have the time. The images are zoomable.

Main site: http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/collections/landscapehistories/1

Portsmouth: http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-70KBV-00026

Newhaven: http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-70KBR-00053

Southampton: http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-70KBW-00043

Enjoy!

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Thanks Colin, what a great set of links.

The Portsmouth picture is Viking Venturer, and could have been taken any time between 1978 and 1983.  Villandry or Valencay at Newhaven (hvv will probably be able to tell the difference).

But the Southampton picture is particularly interesting.  We see Dragon in service preparing for her usual 11am departure from the P&O Normandy Ferries berth.  That livery (with P&O Ferries rather than Normandy Ferries on the side) dates from around 1980 I think.  But we see FE3 laid up in the Empress Dock, and FE5 bow-in at the original Thoresen berth.  This probably dates the photo to something like early 1982, with FE3 having been withdrawn the previous year and FE5 about to take up service at Portsmouth as the sole Cherbourg vessel in 1982.  Townesend Thoresen were still using Southampton at that time, but by then had moved across the Princess Alexandra Dock to the berth in front (as the photo is viewed) Dragon.  The one occupied by the freighter.  What makes this picture particularly interesting is that it implies that Townsend Thoresen still maintained some use of the original berth (the one FE5 is seen at) even after they had moved across the harbour.  I hadn't realised that.  (The photo cannot have pre-dated the switch of berths at Southampton because FE5 was not on the scene at Southampton when the switch happened).

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Glad you like it. It does bring back a few memories. I remember sailing in Villandry to Dieppe on a day trip, unlike Senlac she had a forward facing lounge bar so you could see where you were going!

I also recall the Vikings coming in and out of Portmouth at the time although I never sailed on them.

I think the photos state exact dates which is helpful.

I was actually down at Portsmouth today but no ferry activity except for the WightRyders!

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1 hour ago, cvabishop said:

This BBC report refers to historic aerial photos being made available by Cambridge University.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47319251

On checking it out, within the first few pages there are some interesting images of aerial shots of ferries  in the 1980s at Portsmouth, Southampton and Newhaven. Worth a browse if you have the time. The images are zoomable.

Main site: http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/collections/landscapehistories/1

Portsmouth: http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-70KBV-00026

Newhaven: http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-70KBR-00053

Southampton: http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-70KBW-00043

Enjoy!

Great images, thanks for posting.

The Newhaven image is the Valencay I think and the Mighty Meeching is in the foreground.

Over at Dover - @Gareth should like this series showing I think FEV, one of the 1970s European class freighters, the St Anselm and, in the background of the first one, a floating piece of 1960s cool in the Wellington dock  -

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-70KGU-00062/1

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-70KGU-00063/1

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-70KGU-00064/1

 

In the Western Docks, in one shot you have the Champs Elysees on the linkspan, the remains of the Reine Astrid of 1958 in its role as the jetfoil terminal, the Saint-Eloi in the train ferry berth, a stretched and unstretched SRN-4 at the hoverport and a clearer view of the Vortigern in the Wellington Dock, surely one of the last times a local ferry went there for maintenance or lay up.

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-CQZ-00026/1

The Vortigern in colour; every usable inch of her outside deck space is crammed with those fibreglass bench seats of which Sealink were so fond - (one of which lives on as street furniture in Lavrio) -

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-70KGU-00071/1

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10 hours ago, hhvferry said:

Great images, thanks for posting.

The Newhaven image is the Valencay I think and the Mighty Meeching is in the foreground.

Over at Dover - @Gareth should like this series showing I think FEV, one of the 1970s European class freighters, the St Anselm and, in the background of the first one, a floating piece of 1960s cool in the Wellington dock  -

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-70KGU-00062/1

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-70KGU-00063/1

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-70KGU-00064/1

Thanks hhv.  Yes, I agree, FE5.  I’m pretty sure the European freighter is the Clearway.  (It’s either Clearway or Trader (Enterprise had a different funnel design), and the name looks too long to be Trader).

Those photos can be pretty reliably dated to some time in 1986.  (In 1985, the Boulogne route was still being operated by Tiger and Panther, the TT funnel livery was changed from TT turquoise to P&O pale blue very shortly after the Herald disaster in early 1987).  It could be very early 1987 I suppose.

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9 hours ago, The Ferry Man said:

Yes, you can see the original configuration of the ferry port nicely in the first picture.  The seaward of the two berths has now been long filled in, during the rebuilding of the port in the early 80s.  (Although, if you look carefully, you can still make out the line of where the original berth was on google earth).  The inner of the two berths (now berth 1) still remains in use today, but only by NEX.

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11 hours ago, The Ferry Man said:

Touching on more important matters, I was trying to spot the Ship and Castle on the first pic. It used to be pretty much on the waterfront. I think it is just to the right of the line of 5 silos?

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Fascinating photos, thanks Colin. The resolution is great too. Has anybody found one of Weymouth yet? And what was that strange circus-tent-like building on Dover docks used for? Ed.. 

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This is great, some really interesting things there.

At Harwich Navyard in 1972 is the Prinz Hamlet II, prototype for the Papenburgers; the train ferry berth is empty -

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-BJQ-00058/1

Up at Hull KGD a year earlier the super Spero is on her berth but the Norwind or Norwave have moved off their one adjacent and are lying across the way - can't work out what is on the NSF berth though? Maybe a little ro-ro?

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-BHE-00035/1

And then there is Tilbury in 1966. During the Seamens Strike so we see myriad ships including three of the P&O/Orient post-war series. Plus, in the first image, the laid up paddle steamer Queen of the South (whose reasons for being in Tilbury are detailed in this chronicle of her 1966 adventures). Up at the landing stage two of the Catherine, Edith or Rose are alongside but my attention is taken most by the 1929-built Britannia or Suecia of Swedish Lloyd, truly vintage by then and near very end of their long UK-based careers. In the second image I think it's the Doric Ferry in the corner.

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-AOI-00082/1

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-AOI-00083/1

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17 minutes ago, hhvferry said:

And then there is Tilbury in 1966. During the Seamens Strike so we see myriad ships including three of the P&O/Orient post-war series. Plus, in the first image, the laid up paddle steamer Queen of the South (whose reasons for being in Tilbury are detailed in this chronicle of her 1966 adventures). Up at the landing stage two of the Catherine, Edith or Rose are alongside but my attention is taken most by the 1929-built Britannia or Suecia of Swedish Lloyd, truly vintage by then and near very end of their long UK-based careers. In the second image I think it's the Doric Ferry in the corner.

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-AOI-00082/1

http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/PH-GEOGRAPHY-AOI-00083/1

Strange - Doric Ferry appears to be not where the ASN berth was.

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Just now, Gareth said:

Strange - Doric Ferry appears to be not where the ASN berth was.

I can see you are not going to get much work done this week, are you? 😀 Ed. 

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40 minutes ago, cvabishop said:

Oh dear! What have I started?!

A thread about ferries Colin - good stuff! 😀

(Beats dogs and websites!) 😉

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15 hours ago, Gareth said:

But the Southampton picture is particularly interesting.

Gareth,  I take it that a lot of this was mostly filled in to create Ocean Village?

Image is dated Sept 1983.

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6 minutes ago, jonno said:

Gareth,  I take it that a lot of this was mostly filled in to create Ocean Village?

Image is dated Sept 1983.

Oh, ok, thanks.  I can’t see the date on my phone.  Ocean Village is not “filled in” as such - the basin is now just full of pontoons, but the outline of the dock is the same.  The yacht club is built on top of the foundation piles for the bridge of the old linkspan at the original Thoresen berth.

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14 hours ago, hhvferry said:

Over at Dover - @Gareth should like this series showing I think FEV, one of the 1970s European class freighters, the St Anselm and, in the background of the first one, a floating piece of 1960s cool in the Wellington dock  -

Is that European Clearway next to FEV?

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4 hours ago, hhvferry said:

This is great, some really interesting things there.

At Harwich Navyard in 1972 is the Prinz Hamlet II, prototype for the Papenburgers; the train ferry berth is empty -

Great photo.  Must be a very long time (circa 40 years?) since the Navy Yard berth at Harwich was used for passenger sailings.

One interesting feature of the Harwich picture is the appearance of the Felixstowe foreshore in the top right corner.  The subsequent emergence of that little strip of rural land as our premier container port being one of the remarkable stories of our maritime history.  1972 was about the time that Felixstowe as a ferryport emerged in embryonic form.

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I'm not sure it's Felixstowe. I think it's what is referred to as Shotley Point Battery. There is a marina there today with a musueum to HMS Ganges, whatever that was. Felixstowe would be just beyond the bottom righthand corner of the frame even though it should obviously be north-east. The shot was taken from the plane without respect for any specific geographical orientation, probably in the afternoon or evening as the shadows appear to be on the eastern sides of the moored watercraft. Ed

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5 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

I'm not sure it's Felixstowe. I think it's what is referred to as Shotley Point Battery. There is a marina there today with a musueum to HMS Ganges, whatever that was. Felixstowe would be just beyond the bottom righthand corner of the frame even though it should obviously be north-east. The shot was taken from the plane without respect for any specific geographical orientation, probably in the afternoon or evening as the shadows appear to be on the eastern sides of the moored watercraft. Ed

Ah yes, you’re right Ed.  My bad.  It is, indeed, the Shotley peninsular.  (And there is indeed a marina there now - it was the home of my yacht for 5 years! 😳😊).

How embarassing! 🤣

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24 minutes ago, Gareth said:

Ah yes, you’re right Ed.  My bad.  It is, indeed, the Shotley peninsular.  (And there is indeed a marina there now - it was the home of my yacht for 5 years! 😳😊).

How embarassing! 🤣

I love it when sailors make mistakes. I think it happens because skippers generally seem to spend the last five minutes before arrival making a cup of tea (or a G&T). It reminds me of the time I was told (by the guy who was supposed to be in charge, and therefore know about these things) to steer for the moored dredger at the entrance to the Hamble. It would take us at least 10 minutes to reach the vessel and by that time he'd be back in the cockpit to take over. I did as instructed, only to run us agound 5 minutes later, and spill his G&T, as the dregder had started to move inshore. His arguement was they they had never been seen working at weekends before. Ed

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