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2 hours ago, rogerpatenall said:

A propos of nothing at all, I was stopped this evening, for the very first time (had the house here for 27 years), for a random document check.

Two very pleasant gendarmes. Big feeling of satisfaction when the driving license, and the leasing company certificates were accepted after intense scrutiny, and a zero reading on the breathalyser. What it is to be a law abiding citizen. . .

 

Yes, resident over here for 15 years and had my 1st ‘controle’ very close to home at 10.30 in the morning (on the way to the tip).

It was no problem & I’d wish that they did it more often.  There are more than a few vehicules around here with the ass hanging out of them.  French MOT?   Bureaucracy to be avoided as far as they’re concerned.

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Here's how it was before the EEC (1968). Of course you also had exchange controls so the ferry companies went into great details about how to conserve your foreign currency - with packed lunches, vouc

The business of exchanging a UK licence for a French one has been a disaster for the last 18 months.  It was centralised to Nantes (from individual departements) in Sept 2017 - I was ‘lucky’, mine was

Yippee! At great inconvenience to me I have a "Green card" ( a flimsy bit of paper actually). Plus the IDP, I feel I'm ready for the Continent. I just hope the lovely lady doesn't let me down and

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Here's how it was before the EEC (1968). Of course you also had exchange controls so the ferry companies went into great details about how to conserve your foreign currency - with packed lunches, vouchers to spend on board and camping equipment hire. And the free market hadn't really hit the ferry business so Townsend were part of a fare-fixing cartel back then.

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You need to go back a bit further to find reference to carnets de passage and tryptiques. It looks like this stuff was abolished in the early 1960s so here the BR car ferry guide of 1958 gives exhaustive details of everything you need to consider. Just reading this is giving me a headache so I'd probably have just taken the train/ship connection instead, no doubt to BR's ultimate satisfaction.

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55 minutes ago, hhvferry said:

Here's how it was before the EEC (1968). Of course you also had exchange controls so the ferry companies went into great details about how to conserve your foreign currency - with packed lunches, vouchers to spend on board and camping equipment hire. And the free market hadn't really hit the ferry business so Townsend were part of a fare-fixing cartel back then.

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You need to go back a bit further to find reference to carnets de passage and tryptiques. It looks like this stuff was abolished in the early 1960s so here the BR car ferry guide of 1958 gives exhaustive details of everything you need to consider. Just reading this is giving me a headache so I'd probably have just taken the train/ship connection instead, no doubt to BR's ultimate satisfaction.

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Thanks for that hhvferry. I raised the question as I had friend who worked at the AA in the 60's in the Carnet dept. I never used the system so I'm not entirely sure how it worked or the cost. Triangular bread rolls. 

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There is also the small problem of 2nd home owners doing a bit of DIY on their French cottages. I often see cars and vans at Plymouth docks loaded up with tools, ladders, cement mixers and such. Outside a Customs Union they will all need a Carnet listing everything obtained, at a price, from the London Chamber of Commerce. That applies to any and all equipment taken in and out.

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We just went and obtained our IDP’s from the post office in Petersfield, where we are staying overnight before crossing tomorrow. 

We were surprised to be told if we were travelling to Spain then the IDP required is a different document to the one for France.

That would make it very difficult in the event of Brexit if you got on a Ferry to Spain and ended up in Brest, as has happened in the past...

 

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2 minutes ago, alleeganger10 said:

We just went and obtained our IDP’s from the post office in Petersfield, where we are staying overnight before crossing tomorrow. 

We were surprised to be told if we were travelling to Spain then the IDP required is a different document to the one for France.

That would make it very difficult in the event of Brexit if you got on a Ferry to Spain and ended up in Brest, as has happened in the past...

 

Yes a complete and utter farce ,and you might not even need them for a couple of months yet anyway , but that’s where we are as a nation.

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1 hour ago, alleeganger10 said:

We just went and obtained our IDP’s from the post office in Petersfield, where we are staying overnight before crossing tomorrow. 

We were surprised to be told if we were travelling to Spain then the IDP required is a different document to the one for France.

That would make it very difficult in the event of Brexit if you got on a Ferry to Spain and ended up in Brest, as has happened in the past...

 

These are requirements laid down by France and Spain as they both ratified different agreements in the past. However, fret not, Spain have said regardless of what happens, they are going to recognize the status quo for driving documents of UK drivers until 2021, making the IDP for Spain unnecessary at this time........although that could change

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3 hours ago, neilcvx said:

Yes a complete and utter farce ,and you might not even need them for a couple of months yet anyway , but that’s where we are as a nation.

I agree, the Post office desk staff seemed to be convinced that Brexit date has already been extended! Back in day, when such people were “civil servants” and not employees of a PLC. I’m sure they would have been better “Officially” informed.

We could be halfway to France before we know if we do or don’t need IDP’s, and as we plan to stay till late November, we could not risk it any longer.

 

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Good news that Petersfield PO is now issuing them. I got mine done in Guildford and London Picadilly at the start of the year just in case. This means I can renew them if needed at Christmas without having to go anywhere further afield. I'm off to Mallorca tomorrow and will take mine with me just in case but I sincerely doubt it will be necessary. I have also got my DVLA check document printed for the car rental agency. Ed. 

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4 minutes ago, cvabishop said:

Has anyone any experience of this being asked for? I've never had a request, the car hire firms just want the money.

You won`t get asked..Car hire desk clerks cannot be expected to know the ins and outs of so many driving systems in Europe alone, never mind the rest of the world. Uk is one of the few places where the driver is insured as opposed to the car, which then becomes any driver with a licence. This is not permitted in the UK because of greedy rip off Insurance Companies. 

   As long as your credit card works you`re good to go. 

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15 minutes ago, cvabishop said:

Has anyone any experience of this being asked for? I've never had a request, the car hire firms just want the money.

I rented a van in the U.K. recently and it was a must. More important that my licence which is of the green variety! At least the IDP has a picture.
 

The credit card was important too!.

 

1 hour ago, Cabin-boy said:

I'm off to Mallorca tomorrow and will take mine with me just in case but I sincerely doubt it will be necessary. 

Enjoy!

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Hi all,
Still waiting for DVLA to finalise arranging eye tests with opticians to cover those of us who require a regular 3 yearly test in order to kept our UK driving licence. In the mean time I'm able to continue driving in the UK under Section 88 of the Road Traffic Act which allows me to drive until DVLA says otherwise.  No one can predict the future with a big backlog at the DVLA and also Opticians serving urgent customers who have missed out regular tests. Up to 16th week of "we will let you know in 12 weeks" of the log jam.

I can't even use my international driving permit as mine has "expired" based on my old Driving Lic expiry date.

Anybody know of any method I could use to drive in France  legally within French law using section 88 of the uk RTAct?

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Stu

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On 17/07/2020 at 17:01, straightfeed said:

Hi all,
Still waiting for DVLA to finalise arranging eye tests with opticians to cover those of us who require a regular 3 yearly test in order to kept our UK driving licence. In the mean time I'm able to continue driving in the UK under Section 88 of the Road Traffic Act which allows me to drive until DVLA says otherwise.  No one can predict the future with a big backlog at the DVLA and also Opticians serving urgent customers who have missed out regular tests. Up to 16th week of "we will let you know in 12 weeks" of the log jam.

I can't even use my international driving permit as mine has "expired" based on my old Driving Lic expiry date.

Anybody know of any method I could use to drive in France  legally within French law using section 88 of the uk RTAct?

Thanks

Stu

Stu

  You can legally drive in France as long as the UK issuing Authority (DVLA) allow you to continue to drive in the UK, certainly as long as the transition period exists. Despite optical requirements they are allowing you to drive so you are fully legal to drive pretty much everywhere..

  You'll just need to carry DVLA corresponding confirming this and equally you should be able to get your International permit..

Hope this helps..I do have a legal background for information

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Thanks Paully. Unfortunately an IDP would not be issued with an extended expiry date only whats on my UK DL card.

But look what I found-

Covid-19: validity of a European driver's licence extended by 7 months

June 17, 2020

The 2020/698 Regulation (EU) of 25 May 2020 extends the validity of a European driver's licence.

A licence that expires between the 1Er February 2020 and August 31, 2020 remains valid for 7 months from the end of validity date indicated if it is issued by one of the following states: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Czech Republic, Romania, United Kingdom, Slovakia, Sweden.

Brilliant news for me

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