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8 hours ago, nottingham said:

I wonder who the structure belongs to, church or state?

This is the answer from Wikipedia :

'Under a 1905 law, Notre-Dame de Paris is one of 70 churches in Paris built before that year which are owned by the French state. While the building itself is owned by the state, the Catholic Church is the designated beneficiary, having the exclusive right to use it for religious purposes in perpetuity. The archdiocese is responsible for paying the employees, for security, heating and cleaning, and for ensuring that the cathedral is open free to visitors. The archdiocese does not receive subsidies from the French state.'

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Macron has said it will be rebuilt.  Not sure if I agree with that, mainly because that it is such an iconic, historical building, it will never be the same no matter what is done.  Restorations can work in some cases, but when a building is as gutted as this looks like it is, maybe the best thing to do is to build a structure around it that protects the ruins, make a protective glass cover for it.  The best thing they can do is make the ruins safe, protect them, and make them publicly accessible for the future.

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Agreed. The preservation of what remains needs to be the priority and various options for the future use of the building will need to be considered before any public or private money is spent, aside from the initial clean-up and stabilisation of the shell. Ed. 

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12 hours ago, Cabin-boy said:

Very sad. And it spread so quickly. These buildings always seem so much more at risk during phases of renovation. Ed. 

Yes the Glasgow school of art being a recent example.

I hope the church gets rebuilt some buildings are so iconic that it just has to happen.

It’s good to see modern technology will help such an old building.

https://www.gpsworld.com/3d-mapping-of-notre-dame-will-help-restoration/

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All that said, it looks this morning as if more of the structure is standing than appeared to be the case last night.  So maybe some sort of restoration might be possible - at the very least will need a new roof so that what did survive can be preserved from the elements.

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There was an expert on TV this morning explaining how it would be possible to fully rebuild/restore it using modern and old techniques hopefully he’s correct.

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3 hours ago, neilcvx said:
16 hours ago, Cabin-boy said:

Very sad. And it spread so quickly. These buildings always seem so much more at risk during phases of renovation. Ed. 

Yes the Glasgow school of art being a recent example.

Indeed.  Am reminded of Primark in Belfast.  Obviously it doesn't compare to Notre Dame but it is another example of a renovation that went up in flames.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-45376563
 

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14 minutes ago, Buzzbee said:

Indeed.  Am reminded of Primark in Belfast.  Obviously it doesn't compare to Notre Dame but it is another example of a renovation that went up in flames.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-45376563
 

What’s next?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/16/uk-parliament-could-suffer-same-fate-as-notre-dame-warn-mps?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1555406749

 

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Uppark was completely rebuilt to the state the day before the fire - but this was because that was the only purpose to which the insurance money could be put and so much of the contents had been saved. It was noticeable after the fire at Clandon Park the Trust were much more cagey and eventually decided to throw their money into things like architectural  competitions and partial restoration with a re-imagining for other uses of part so house. There is no doubt what was achieved at Uppark was amazing but it is essentially a replica.

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There is no doubt what was achieved at Uppark was amazing but it is essentially a replica.

Very true, but I suppose you could say the same of HMS Victory...

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On the plus side it could well be a lot easier to replace the whole roof than repair and restore the old roof. It's sad to see the eight hundred year old beams burn but to visitors in years to come they won't see any difference.

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Wooden buildings in general are at great risk I think it’s just cathedral fires get the press it deserves, in my wee town (5k folk) we’ve had 2 old wooden structured weaving mills burned down in the last couple of years.

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It's interesting how people are willing to provide money for its rebuilding (perhaps with tax-relief or sponsorship rights - 'Welcome to Notre Dame, presented by L'Oreal - because she worth it!') but not for its initial restoration project. A couple of French people I've spoken to this morning are already starting to detect that Macron is spinning this his way, to detract from other events and to justify not reintroducing a wealth tax. This could spectacularly backfire on him. Ed. 

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