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3 hours ago, hf_uk said:

Apologies if I have missed it - but what cabin class is in that 3rd pic please?

Its cabin number 8106 and IF call it Deluxe Suite Double bed.

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8 hours ago, jonno said:

I'll certainly go along with that... Maybe it's because IF didn't use a specialised maritime outfitter, that way it may have resulted in furnishings and decor which will be up to the job, cheaper too. 

They used Minima, an online & highstreet domestic department store. One who are very good at overcharging for furniture and decor which can invariably be sourced for a lot less elsewhere. I looked at a Bauhaus chess set by Naef Spiele which they are selling for £455... It's £150 on Amazon.de. It's the same with their designer sofas... mass produced of course, one they sell for £10k is 4 grand less elsewhere. Even the Conran shop are less expensive and you're still paying through the nose. 

 

The interior designs were co-ordinated by Steen Friis with Irish input from Minima. As you'd expect most of the fittings are designed for a marine environment but some of the more extravagant or luxury touches may be from international hotel catalogues, or sourced wherever the designer happens to wander.

Re chess sets, I think Minima UK, the store, are different to Helen Kilmartin's Minima Ireland, the ship's consultant designers.

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2 hours ago, VikingVoyager said:

Hmmm... not sure that's the 100% the case.

I'd say it's much less about their ships and much more because they've stuck it out and continued to offer the routes that people want. Some of those routes must be marginal, especially throughout the year, but their funding structure and "raisin of etcetera" means they are still there when others have fallen away. 

The pictures you showed were mostly very nice (which vessel?), though as always, bolder designs can date very quickly.  However, I'd be more than happy on WB Yeats for an overnight crossing at the start of my holiday.  I wouldn't pay a premium for higher fit-out though I would pay for reliability, safety, punctuality and cabin space.

I suspect most passengers are even more price driven and have only a casual interest in the ships. They'll be aware if a vessel is old / small / cramped / lacking certain key facilities but beyond that I suspect their interest wains.  

Most of the pics are of Viking Grace, 2 are my own the rest are library images. the other with darker furniture is Viking Gabriella in service since 1994.

BF as a group will drop any route that isn't cost effective. They proved that when they mothballed Barfleur on a route that they are committed to continue due to their sub charter agreement with the reorganised and rationalised semi public companies. They were also swift to replace Cotentin with a freight only vessel when needed.

Marginal routes? You only need to see the figures to see that they're not. As region Brittany enjoys over 700,000 passenger movements per year through two ports plus BF carry more passengers to Cherbourg than they do to Spain. If you also consider that Etretat only carries 300 pax per crossing when full an overall figure of 146,000 is not to be sneezed at either. Much is made of the Caen route but overall in terms of passengers it equates to 30%.

I agree that most passengers couldn't care less about the ferry they're on... unless there's something they're unhappy with then they'll scream the name from the rooftops to anyone in earshot.

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1 hour ago, hhvferry said:

The interior designs were co-ordinated by Steen Friis with Irish input from Minima. As you'd expect most of the fittings are designed for a marine environment but some of the more extravagant or luxury touches may be from international hotel catalogues, or sourced wherever the designer happens to wander.

Re chess sets, I think Minima UK, the store, are different to Helen Kilmartin's Minima Ireland, the ship's consultant designers.

No Helen Kilmartin has the lot, she's an interior designer and retailer... a bit like Laura Ashley.

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10 hours ago, jonno said:

Most of the pics are of Viking Grace, 2 are my own the rest are library images. the other with darker furniture is Viking Gabriella in service since 1994.

BF as a group will drop any route that isn't cost effective. They proved that when they mothballed Barfleur on a route that they are committed to continue due to their sub charter agreement with the reorganised and rationalised semi public companies. They were also swift to replace Cotentin with a freight only vessel when needed.

Marginal routes? You only need to see the figures to see that they're not. As region Brittany enjoys over 700,000 passenger movements per year through two ports plus BF carry more passengers to Cherbourg than they do to Spain. If you also consider that Etretat only carries 300 pax per crossing when full an overall figure of 146,000 is not to be sneezed at either. Much is made of the Caen route but overall in terms of passengers it equates to 30%.

I agree that most passengers couldn't care less about the ferry they're on... unless there's something they're unhappy with then they'll scream the name from the rooftops to anyone in earshot.

Thanks for the info.  Some surprising stats there - particularly the Cherbourg vs. Spain statistic - I thought Barfleur only sailed about 12 times a week, how many arrivals are there in Spain?

I don't think it changes the point that I was making - BF are still there because of the routes they operate not because they spend a few more pounds on their ship fit out.  The choice they offer to convenient destinations is what makes them popular, in my opinion.  

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2 hours ago, VikingVoyager said:

Thanks for the info.  Some surprising stats there - particularly the Cherbourg vs. Spain statistic - I thought Barfleur only sailed about 12 times a week, how many arrivals are there in Spain?

I don't think it changes the point that I was making - BF are still there because of the routes they operate not because they spend a few more pounds on their ship fit out.  The choice they offer to convenient destinations is what makes them popular, in my opinion.  

Poole - Cherbourg carried 211,500 passengers in 2018, Portsmouth - Cherbourg 167,000, a strong figure considering the fair weather timetable NEX runs.

As you see combined the figure is pushing 380,000. Spain combined is pushing 360,000. Both figures are rising year on year.

I think we'll never agree on the latter... for me BF wouldn't invest so much in their tonnage if they didn't feel they had to. You don't spend €180m on a short sea RoPax for Caen when you can have WBY for €40m less or have your own architects alter the structure and your own design teams takeover the interiors of the E-Flexers otherwise. Cost effecting business decisions are made coldly, you don't put your hand deeper into your pocket than you have to.

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1 hour ago, jonno said:

Poole - Cherbourg carried 211,500 passengers in 2018, Portsmouth - Cherbourg 167,000, a strong figure considering the fair weather timetable NEX runs.

As you see combined the figure is pushing 380,000. Spain combined is pushing 360,000. Both figures are rising year on year.

I think we'll never agree on the latter... for me BF wouldn't invest so much in their tonnage if they didn't feel they had to. You don't spend €180m on a short sea RoPax for Caen when you can have WBY for €40m less or have your own architects alter the structure and your own design teams takeover the interiors of the E-Flexers otherwise. Cost effecting business decisions are made coldly, you don't put your hand deeper into your pocket than you have to.

1000 passengers a day via Cherbourg is indeed very impressive when you consider the winter numbers.

You are right, I don't think we'll agree on the return that BF see on their extra investment but the only way to test it would be for a rival company with duplicate routes to pop up. 

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23 hours ago, jonno said:

BF as a group will drop any route that isn't cost effective.

Interesting you say that Jonno - my perception is exactly the opposite.  I think they will continue to run routes that are not cost-effective on a token basis.

In the entire history of the company (excluding their forray into the Channel Islands through CIF), I can only think of three routes they have closed.  Plymouth-St Malo, Poole-St Malo and Cork-St Malo.  In general, especially these days, they try to maintain a presence in preference to closing routes to preserve their regional monopoly.

In the example you gave (Poole-Cherbourg), they didn’t close the route during Barfleur’s mothballing, they just made it freight-only and sustained it with Cotentin.

One other interesting fact - in their entire history, BF has never “pulled out of” a port they operate from.  Once in there, they have stayed there.....

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54 minutes ago, Gareth said:

Interesting you say that Jonno - my perception is exactly the opposite.  I think they will continue to run routes that are not cost-effective on a token basis.

In the entire history of the company (excluding their forray into the Channel Islands through CIF), I can only think of three routes they have closed.  Plymouth-St Malo, Poole-St Malo and Cork-St Malo.  In general, especially these days, they try to maintain a presence in preference to closing routes to preserve their regional monopoly.

In the example you gave (Poole-Cherbourg), they didn’t close the route during Barfleur’s mothballing, they just made it freight-only and sustained it with Cotentin.

One other interesting fact - in their entire history, BF has never “pulled out of” a port they operate from.  Once in there, they have stayed there.....

That's true...

Don't you think Barfy was pulled rapidly once the pax numbers dried up even more after her reconfiguring to remove the a la carte and lower staff numbers? BF essentially ended passenger services from Poole - Cherbourg and once Cotentin proved uneconomical she was on her way too essentially ending BF's Poole connection with Spain allowing LD to take them over for the short period they did.

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Many people have been saying for some time that the 80s style cruise ferries are dated and should be got rid of in favour of ro-pax ferries, well we have a so-called dated cruise ferry replaced with a ro-pax and people seem not be happy. The Oscar Wilde may have been a tad dated but had a feel of real quality and atmosphere in the public areas.....WB Yeats seems to be a regular cross-channel ro-pax which is being used on a longer route and does not have any charm or atmosphere, this is not so noticeable on a short sailing but will be on a longer sailing, having said that they have knocked a couple of hours off the Dublin/Cherbourg sailing times. I am looking forward to sailing on WB Yeats to see for myself as soon as I can arrange it, the plan will be Barfleur Poole to Cherbourg, WB Yeats Cherbourg to Dublin and then return. 

To be honest I think that passengers care more about the quality of ship that many would think - when sailing on BF on mini-cruises/crossings I often get chatting to passengers who are travelling on holiday and they are surprisingly knowledgeable about the ships and make comments about which are their favourites etc. - there are, of course, also those who see the sea as an inconvenience in the way of being able to drive to their destinations and just want to get across as quickly and cheaply as possible and do not care about the ship and it's facilities.

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Is anyone whose traveled on Yeats been unhappy? Or is it folk on here assuming that, she looks a bit dull to me but I would rather have a cabin like the one on her than a club one on the old lady of the BF fleet.

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4 hours ago, neilcvx said:

Is anyone whose traveled on Yeats been unhappy? Or is it folk on here assuming that, she looks a bit dull to me but I would rather have a cabin like the one on her than a club one on the old lady of the BF fleet.

I have just done a return crossing on her and will try to write a report. Overall, mixed feelings but nothing negative other than the absence of music in the bar. 

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17 hours ago, neilcvx said:

Is anyone whose traveled on Yeats been unhappy? Or is it folk on here assuming that, she looks a bit dull to me but I would rather have a cabin like the one on her than a club one on the old lady of the BF fleet.

Yeah Me...  We had to find another two to travel as the 2 berths had sold out and you can't seem to book a 4 berth for 2 people... nearly €1000 for 4 foot passengers in an outside 4 berth Club.

Be fair Neil you can't compare the ships, that's a bit like comparing a new Ford Focus with an Escort Mk IV... and a ship which sails nowhere near Ireland. Do you believe WBY will look the same in 2049 after just one refit?

WBY's Club cabins are no different to those on any BF ship, 2 up 2 down with or without a window, same dated air vents which we all know are useless and dated halogens... even BF's oldest ships have LEDS now. False economic style over substance

If you want to compare the picture, the choice is one of PA's 15 year old Deluxe Cabins or the above lowest spec'ed suite which has the look of an MFI showroom, there's less space and return costs €200 more. 

 

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Being unhappy with the cost of travel isn’t the same as being unhappy with the actual travelling experience, my point was that I find it far nicer sailing on newer vessels in the BF fleet than the older ones even if the cabins have the same specifications there’s a big difference between a club cabin on Armorique and Bretagne.

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4 hours ago, neilcvx said:

Being unhappy with the cost of travel isn’t the same as being unhappy with the actual travelling experience, my point was that I find it far nicer sailing on newer vessels in the BF fleet than the older ones even if the cabins have the same specifications there’s a big difference between a club cabin on Armorique and Bretagne.

I'm not happy with the price as the accommodation is no better than a 15 year olds in someways it's of a lower quality. There's no difference between an outside club on Armorique than there is on Bretagne, same mattresses, pillows etc... unless your personal choice is the different colour scheme and the colder overall feel.

Her Club Plus are very comfy, and feel warmer but they're exclusive to her a bit like the 4 berth deluxe on Pont Aven. The Club Plus on Armorique are nicer than the Club cabins on WBY.

How about comparing the most modern BF ship to another of similar age from another shipping line as the only accurate comparison you can make with Bretagne is with ships of the same era... it's a bit like comparing the Caronia with the QEII.

Compare WBY with Megastar which only has around 50 cabins, similar lane metres and cost Tallink €230m, that's the Ropax bench mark.

 

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I would disagree there’s a cramped feel to Bretagnes club cabins compared to Armoriques a better layout to the facilities and a less claustrophobic feel due to the much larger porthole and extra width and height on Armorique, I was comparing the vessels I sail on and the one in the original post, I will probably sail on Yeats at some point not to France though so will reserve judgment on her.

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