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There's talk in Vigo of a new route starting between Vigo and the UK. Has anyone heard anything about this?  Could be a route for e-flexer 'Galicia' or perhaps just a bit of wishful thinking!

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Outside of the original Ghostbusters film, I know of no Vigo.

Is it a heavily freight-demanding port!?

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Gijon is well used for freight and cars recently improved just waiting fo be reused regularly as a RoRo cruise ferry terminal. Reinstate the highway of the sea Gijon/St Nazaire route as a starter.

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Interesting rumour, I have been to Vigo on quite a few occasions, as part of a Cruise, Ventura, Oceana, Emerald Princess, Nevasa, but to name a few. The location is an ideal start point for Santiago de Comp., and given the motorway network extremely well situated as a start point for all of Portugal, not with standing Northern Spain. Having said all that, the economics of additional sail time probably at least 30 hrs but could be 35 ish from say Plymouth, and there is the quandary - in all probability higher fares.

If I were the B/F Chief Exec would I test the route with an E Flexer - definitely not, any incursion would be a 'risk' - simply a marketing test, to test I need a unit that is cheap to run etc., therefore at the worse - Connemara would be the best test, or perhaps Bretange - although probably too much capacity. 

At the end of the day would the route be profitable. One final thought the only visible roro berth I have noted is a simple single level ramp, so again back to a ro pax, and Connemara does fit the bill.

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Vigo is heavily industrialised port with huge shipyards and most important PSA (peugeot- citroen) factory at Spain.

It could be entry gate to seafood loaded artics and portuguese cargo.

Aluminium, stone/marble/ slate, portman yachts, ...in addition to car parts and seafood.

no idea about benefits related to fuel consumption/distance.

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I'm sure this has been mentioned before but weren't Trasmed. originally meant to have been considering a route from Vigo-Avonmouth back in 2005/2006? Before they eventually ran the Fortuny from Bilbao-Portsmouth for a few months...

I remember calling at Vigo on board the Ventura back in 2010, seemed a nice place to visit with plenty of notable industry dotted around too, such as the shipyard.

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There's no market for it. All of the auto industry movements by PSA and Sevel are all sewn up by specialised carriers and there is no ferry infrastructure, a bit like Caruna. The added time at sea would also be far greater than say a sailing to Gijon or even Santander then driving.

Why not go the whole way and sail to Porto and use the linkspan in Leixoes?

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Just picked up an interesting piece of  information in that Britanny has signed a one year charter with Stena for another Visentini RO PAX,( same as Connemara etc) to be delivered in November 2019. From information received the ship will replace Connemara on the Cork station, Connemara will be re flagged to France also in November, thus releasing Connemara to operate on the existing French / Spanish routes without any Union interference.

Apparently there has been a press release from Britanny noting that this charter will allow flexibility during the Pont Aven engine change etc.

The vessel concerned is presently chartered out from Stena, and operating in the Adriatic. I suspect it has not been upgraded and remains in the basic Visinteni, fit, i.e. no carpets, lots of formica etc, pretty hospital ship'ish.

So additional capacity for next summer, of course in the first instance as an insurance should Pont Aven's engine change overrun. Having said that perhaps also allow a test run to another Spanish Port - time will tell?.

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There is an article regarding the possibility of a Vigo to UK route on www.portseurope.com I can't add the link right now but you can go to that website and search VIGO. 

Vigo has been connected to the United Kingdom on at least two occasions by ro/ro passenger and freight services.

During the late 1970's to early 1980's the Spanish shipping company Naveiras Suardiaz operated a weekly freight only service from Southampton to Vigo

From from June 1966 to September 1966 the Norwegian shipping magnet Knut Kloster (the co founder of NCL Norwegian Cruise Line) operated the ferry SUNWARD on a short lived weekly ferry service Southampton-Vigo-Lisbon-Gibralter-Lisbon-Vigo-Southampton under the Kloster Sunward Ferries name.

The route was short lived for various reasons, Wikipedia has a page dedicated to the SUNWARD for anyone unfamiliar with this vessel.

Portsmouth to Vigo is 654 nm, at an average cruising speed of 20/21 knots the journey time is One day and 7 hours.

Portsmouth to Gijon is 518 nm, at an average cruising speed of 20/21 knots the journey time is One day and 1 hour.

Vigo is a very busy car export/import port with several quays for large ro/ro vessel's including one fixed linkspan and 2 soon to be 6 concrete ramps for large ro/ro vessel's.

Vigo is the base of Spain's largest trawler market and is Spain's leading fishing port, it also has a large industrial base, it has great motorway and rail connections to the rest of Spain as well as to nearby Portugal where the border is less than 24 miles away. Vigo is also close to the famous and popular UNESCO world heritage site at Santiago de Compostela which is under an hour away.

As much as I would like to see a Portsmouth to Vigo route the economics don't stand up against a possible Portsmouth to Gijon link.

What I would love to see is a four night voyage from Portsmouth to Lisbon. (I know that I'm dreaming)

Portsmouth to Lisbon is 870 nm, at an average cruising speed of 20/21 knots the journey time is One day and 17 hours.

If Britanny Ferries decided to take the opportunity of advertising Portsmouth to Lisbon as a mini cruise along with the passenger and freight it would be an excellent route for the whole of the Atlantic coast of the Iberian peninsula as far down as Andalucia and Gibraltar and also eastwards to central Spain.

A schedule could look similar to this.

Sunday Portsmouth depart 18.00

Two nights at sea.

Tuesday Lisbon arrive 12.00 local time

Tuesday Lisbon depart 18.00 local time

Two nights at sea.

Thursday Portsmouth arrive 12.00

Thursday Portsmouth depart 18.00

Two nights at sea (the possibility of going via Cherbourg for a crew change if needed) 

Saturday Bilbao/Santander arrive 08.00 local time

Saturday Bilbao/Santander depart 13.00 local time

One night at sea.

Sunday Portsmouth arrive 14.00

It's a shame that Brittany Ferries don't take the opportunity to alter the building process of the SANTONA with an additional deck above the bridge with balcony accommodation, a pool area and a gym/fitness center making her more durable for a longer crossing to either Lisbon or Vigo.

In 1969 (P&O) Normandy Ferries ran a seasonal winter service from Southampton-Lisbon-Casablanca-Lisbon-Southampton with the LEOPARD.

In 1970 the brand new EAGLE was delivered to the General Steam Navigation operating as (P&O) Southern Ferries and she started a year round weekly 6 night round trip Southampton-Lisbon-Tangier-Lisbon-Southampton with Algerciras added in 1972.

The route ended in September 1975 after industrial action by the seaman and the EAGLE was quickly sold to the French company Navigation de Paquet and renamed the AZUR. 

FYI the former EAGLE is still in service after 49 years sailing for the Russian company Black Sea Cruises as their sole cruise ship named KNYZ VLADIMIR based in Sochi, Russia.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Lord Cairnryan said:

The vessel concerned is presently chartered out from Stena, and operating in the Adriatic. 

Yes, this was announced on June 20th. The vessel in question is currently sailing as 'AF Michela'.

https://brittanyferriesnewsroom.com/new-ship-charter-will-secure-2020-season-schedules-says-brittany-ferries/?fbclid=IwAR3SDR7XQDPGTY13UONrX-05p0mNqV9QNmbsWJpqI1axp3RmZauO7-XENPs

Image: Adria Ferries

nave-michela-adriaferries.jpg

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Another couple of observations.

One the next addition to the B/F Fleet, the chartered in Visentini, sadly is a flight 1 vessel, whereas the other currently operated B/F Visentini's are all flight 2. So a bit of a retrograde step.

Having said that Stena shrewd operator that they are, have been spending a lot of money on their own operated Visentini's - Stena Lagan and Stena Mersey come to mind immediately. So perhaps the vessel destined for B/F will be similarly upgraded prior to hand over.

The notes by Canberra 7 regarding Vigo  - current operations, economics etc are indeed spot on, and I totally agree.

The key difference between say the 1970's and today in terms of accessability, is the excellent Auto Route network, as mentioned. 

Whilst totally not pas it, I will admit to travelling twice on P&O's Eagle, and thoroughly enjoyed the round trip mini cruise 6 days to Tangier and back. Unfortunately it was a ship or route well before it's time.

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