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5 hours ago, Paully said:

Having second thoughts maybe??

It's not a case of having second thoughts, these bids are huge and are a long process. From what I have read in past press releases and news stories, it could March 2020 before a decision is made, maybe longer. But, with regards to 'Normandie Express', I'm still convinced she will get the standard BF livery. Whether she gets it before she leaves Dunkirk, remains to be seen. The new livery maybe applied in Le Havre like what happened with 'Bretagne'.

The "Economie", brand with 'Baie de Seine' & 'Etretat' soon to leave, I think the "Economie" brand will be scrapped. It's only guesswork, but you never know.

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10 hours ago, Gareth said:

Thanks Tony.  It would be interesting to see a close-up of the work taking place on the port funnel.

Doesn't give much away.

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2 hours ago, TonyMWeaver said:

Doesn't give much away.

Thanks Tony.  Agreed.  The enlarged picture looks as if the markings I was referring to might just be masking tape.

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3 minutes ago, David Williams said:

Economie may well go on the routes from the UK, however there is no sign of upgraded ships on the Cork Santander route.

True.  Yet, at any rate.  But with three e-flexers on the way, you’d think that upgrading the Cork routes must be in the mix somewhere (?).

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3 hours ago, Gareth said:

True.  Yet, at any rate.  But with three e-flexers on the way, you’d think that upgrading the Cork routes must be in the mix somewhere (?).

You would like to think so although if Port of Cork stick to their script of having no plans for the ferry berth, any carrier will be limited to what level of ship can be supplied. Modern design is calling for larger more spacious tonnage which will see Cork left behind under current thinking - 190M max - and unlike a route such as Caen, the business isn't there to have a specialised new build commissioned. With the new infrastructure improvements and planned motorway extension it maybe more realistic to see Rosslare growing... Stena running an E-Flexer to Gijon isn't as far fetched as it may sound especially as both ports are capable of berthing them without further future proofing.

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What’s the cause of the length restriction at Cork Jonno?  (If it’s quay length then plenty of ports have dealt with that by installing dolphins).  Is there an issue with the far end of the ship poking out into the fairway? (I thought the berth was tucked snugly quite out of the way?).  Or is there another cause?

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1 hour ago, Gareth said:

If it’s quay length then plenty of ports have dealt with that by installing dolphins

It is fun in Le Havre watching the boat come out to help with the ropes on the Etretat

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4 hours ago, Gareth said:

What’s the cause of the length restriction at Cork Jonno?  (If it’s quay length then plenty of ports have dealt with that by installing dolphins).  Is there an issue with the far end of the ship poking out into the fairway? (I thought the berth was tucked snugly quite out of the way?).  Or is there another cause?

A dolphin would encroach into the revised fairway of the new deep water container berths they are building on the land in front of the ferry terminal. All of the the container facilities based on the River Lee are relocating to Ringaskiddy by 2025. Work would be further advanced but there was a €12m shortfall in Bam's successful tender.

The project director for the Ringaskiddy development at PoCC, John Geoghegan, has said many times that the ferry facilities will remain unchanged. Their concern is more to do with the displacement interaction of even larger ferries moving in close proximity to the larger container vessels they will attract. Prior to mid 2018 anything was possible in terms how the new facilities would be constructed but now that work has commenced I doubt any revision to the plans can be made.

The image shows Ringaskiddy today, the whole area above the ferry berth will become multi berth, multi modal deep water facilities.

 

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Thanks Jonno.  What about the feasibility of moving across to the other berth?  Further away from the container terminal but currently (I suspect) freight only.  Is there space there for longer ferry?

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1 hour ago, Gareth said:

Thanks Jonno.  What about the feasibility of moving across to the other berth?  Further away from the container terminal but currently (I suspect) freight only.  Is there space there for longer ferry?

It's another dedicated deep water freight berth capable of handling a car carrier, although Grimaldi are looking at shifting their PCC & PCTC business to Dublin along with their Vigo business as part of the MoS link... which Cork has never enjoyed.

Gareth I've never understood why if Tivoli is being relocated lock stock & barrel to Ringaskiddy why a new passenger terminal and linkspan couldn't be constructed on the land and incorporated into the the retail & recreational facilities being built on the old container port... if deep sea freight shipping can get up there surely a 200-215m passenger ferry can?

On the soon to be old site the PoCC are also building a new rail link too, again surely ideal for attracting passengers to Cork central and beyond?

My reading of it is that there's not much appetite for RoPax activity at Cork, it's all about expanding freight, exploiting the grants on offer and the EU funding involved - they're not being offered incentives to carry people.

It's one of the reasons why I feel Rosslare will have a greater role to play in the future. It's already designated a Europort, the infrastructure is being modernised and expanded too.  A new M/N11 link is being constructed as part of the Euro E01 route from Larne, port hard standing is being increased and they already have berthing not too far off what Portsmouth offers.

I know there's a lot of speculation surrounding Stena's proposed enlarging of their Mersey based Visentini's making them both very similar to their E-Flexers, I wouldn't be surprised if they used them to begin their own Spanish link from Rosslare.

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On 05/10/2019 at 22:21, Gareth said:

That's either another irritating quote out of context (before going on to read what I say next) or, much more tantalisingly, a hint at an announcement in the direction I've been predicting for a couple of years!  Given that everything you post is considered and to the point, I'm inclined to go with the latter! 😉

Economie will still exist, but in name only.

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On 05/10/2019 at 15:44, Gareth said:

Thanks Tony.  It would be interesting to see a close-up of the work taking place on the port funnel.  (I assume “funnel” is still the appropriate terminology for this type of craft?).

I can’t blow the top image up enough to be able to see, but is there any clue there to the new livery that NEX will wear?  There are two areas of interest - the line between where the old blue ended and the white, and a little lower where there is something being painted on the side of the hull at the base of the funnel.

It looks as though work on the port funnel is just to add a splash of blue to match to match other BF vessels that have been rebranded.

Out of interest here’s a photo of her I took last month so you can compare progress....

Chris

 

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53 minutes ago, Fine Whine said:

It looks as though work on the port funnel is just to add a splash of blue to match to match other BF vessels that have been rebranded.

Out of interest here’s a photo of her I took last month so you can compare progress....

Chris

So they are putting the blue back on her funnels, like there was in 2014.

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21 hours ago, Gareth said:

Thanks Jonno.  What about the feasibility of moving across to the other berth?  Further away from the container terminal but currently (I suspect) freight only.  Is there space there for longer ferry?

Gareth there's a huge amount going on in and around Rosslare, berth lengthening, 800 hard standing slots for unaccompanied trailers etc. Maybe it's time for a separate thread in Other Operations, I'm sure Steve could offer great insight?

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Yes, there’s a lot of topic-wandering in both this thread and the Sailings Updates thread at the moment.  On my agenda to do something about that at some point, but struggling for time at the moment!

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Thanks to the team at Marine Welding and Inspection Services Ltd for this photo of 'Normandie Express' in Dunkirk.

Marine Welding and Inspection Services Ltd have now completed their work on the ship.

 

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Noticed Barf is going to Santander for her refit - brings back memories of last time when she had scrubbers fitted.  She did a freight only sailing from Portsmouth didn't’ she, will she do the same again. 

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3 minutes ago, Khaines said:

Noticed Barf is going to Santander for her refit - brings back memories of last time when she had scrubbers fitted.  She did a freight only sailing from Portsmouth didn't’ she, will she do the same again. 

Indeed, Barfleur' did sail from Portsmouth (Photo below), March 8th 2015 was the date. Here's the full refit schedule in case you missed it above:

‘Normandie Express’ In Progress, until: 26/10/2019 (Dunkirk)

'Connemara' 31/10/19 - 13/11/19 (Santander, Spain)

‘Bretagne’ 04/11/2019 - 29/12/2019 (Gdansk, Poland)

‘Cap Finistere’ 05/11/2019 - 26/11/2019 (Santander, Spain)

‘Armorique’ 11/11/2019 - 18/11/2019 (Shipyard TBC)

‘Barfleur’ 24/11/2019 - 02/01/2020 (Santander, Spain)

‘Pont-Aven’ 03/01/2020 - 17/03/2020 (Gdansk, Poland)

‘Mont St Michel’ 06/01/2020 - 03/02/2020 (Gdansk, Poland)

‘Normandie’ 03/02/2020 - 10/02/2020 (Cherbourg, France)

‘Etretat’ 11/02/2020 - 13/03/2020 (Santander, Spain)

‘Baie de Seine’ 13/03/2020 - 10/04/2020 (Gdansk, Poland)

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9 minutes ago, Khaines said:

Noticed Barf is going to Santander for her refit - brings back memories of last time when she had scrubbers fitted.  She did a freight only sailing from Portsmouth didn't’ she, will she do the same again. 

She did indeed - initially in convoy with Pont Aven.  Given that BF now runs a freight sailing to Santander from Poole, she could equally do a commercial run from there if needed.

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49 minutes ago, Gareth said:

 

She did indeed - initially in convoy with Pont Aven.  Given that BF now runs a freight sailing to Santander from Poole, she could equally do a commercial run from there if needed.

Remember the thread at the time, she left in convoy with the Pont who got to Spain first, discharged and reloaded and was on her way back to Portsmouth.  Passing Barfleur who was still trudging her way in!  Bit of the hare and the tortoise going on!

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Yes, I think Barfleur was still 5 or 6 hours out when Pont Aven passed her going back the other way!  Of course, as well as her slower speed, Barfleur had the longer (outside Ushant) route to contend with.  I seem to remember she did the return trip in ballast.

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'Normandie Express' in Dunkirk, photo thanks to Julien Carpentier.

The new Brittany Ferries livery has now been applied. Although it's not fully visible due to being in the dry dock, it's easy enough to understand what it looks like.

Notice the new 'Welcome Onboard' signage on the viewing deck at the stern of the vessel.

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