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2 hours ago, The Ferry Man said:

Just going back to this slightly, so she is the first new ship to use the extended berth, but the berth is only partly extended with more extension to come?

Correct, there is more work to do. The crane barge will be back, but not sure if anything will happen until after Christmas.

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Update on the Berth 2 Extension works at Portsmouth International Port.

"Another piece of the cruise berth extension puzzle was successfully installed by Knights Brown yesterday.
The new structure, called a 'Dolphin' which is a mooring point placed at the end of a berth."

 

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34 minutes ago, Gareth said:

When’s this work due to be completed Tony?  BF could do with having this berth back and available to use!

Due to be completed by early March. They are hoping so anyway, there are 3 cruise visits in March.

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32 minutes ago, TonyMWeaver said:

Due to be completed by early March. They are hoping so anyway, there are 3 cruise visits in March.

Do we know how long the cruise visits will take ? A normal Southampton turnaround ties up the dock for 12 hours or so.

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2 minutes ago, David Williams said:

Do we know how long the cruise visits will take ? A normal Southampton turnaround ties up the dock for 12 hours or so.

Varies, some are in from 08:00 until 16:00 or 18:00, some are in until 20:00 or 22:00.

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Presumably timed to fit around the times when the berth is needed by the routine operations of the ferry services (?).

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1 minute ago, Gareth said:

Presumably timed to fit around the times when the berth is needed by the routine operations of the ferry services (?).

Of course not which is why this could be very disruptive. Cruise lines like to arrive early so that they can sort out the paperwork and start offloading bags whilst passengers are having breakfast !

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I'm interested to see how substantial it all looks when finished especially as berth 3 & 4 were also due another dolphin or maybe the E-Flexers will berth on No2 now instead?

BDS not looking her best with just a couple of months remaining.

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15 minutes ago, jonno said:

I'm interested to see how substantial it all looks when finished especially as berth 3 & 4 were also due another dolphin or maybe the E-Flexers will berth on No2 now instead?

Well, that would be sensible, leaving the twin loading berths to the Caen and Le Havre operations where they will be used. But it sounds like they won’t be available half the time - current need for berth 2 by the ferry operations is fairly token (just 3ish departures per week).  If the Flexers use it as their primary berth then it would need to be available more frequently than at present - at least once daily, and on some days twice.

How much would a Flexer on berth 2 block access to berth 1 and the AJQ?

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5 minutes ago, Gareth said:

Well, that would be sensible, leaving the twin loading berths to the Caen and Le Havre operations where they will be used. But it sounds like they won’t be available half the time - current need for berth 2 by the ferry operations is fairly token (just 3ish departures per week).  If the Flexers use it as their primary berth then it would need to be available more frequently than at present - at least once daily, and on some days twice.

One wonders why PIP are retaining the linkspan on No2 if the cruise ship movements are to be as expected. An E-Flexer for 3 hours every other day?

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Well I think the three Flexers will, between them, provide a daily service to Spain plus a handful of trips across to France in between, so it will be a lot more than 3 hours every other day.

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In fact - three Flexers all on three-day repeating timetables could, between them, provide a daily sailing to Spain (same time every day) in each direction plus a daily sailing to Cherbourg in each direction.  If they can restrict the Spain crossing to 26 hours:

Day 1:  0600 arr Portsmouth; 0800 dep Portsmouth

Day 2:  1100 arr Spain;  1400 dep Spain

Day 3:  1500 arr Portsmouth; 1700 dep Portsmouth;  2200 arr Cherbourg; 2359 dep Cherbourg

Or just cut out Cherbourg and keep the ship in Portsmouth on the third night.  But that would need crew change outside France.  The Cherbourg crossing needs turnrounds kept to 2 hours to make it work - so this may be too intensive to be able to operate reliably.  If the Flexers could do Spain in 25 hours (which I doubt) then the daily service to both ports could be managed comfortably.

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2 hours ago, Gareth said:

In fact - three Flexers all on three-day repeating timetables could, between them, provide a daily sailing to Spain (same time every day) in each direction plus a daily sailing to Cherbourg in each direction.  If they can restrict the Spain crossing to 26 hours:

Day 1:  0600 arr Portsmouth; 0800 dep Portsmouth

Day 2:  1100 arr Spain;  1400 dep Spain

Day 3:  1500 arr Portsmouth; 1700 dep Portsmouth;  2200 arr Cherbourg; 2359 dep Cherbourg

Or just cut out Cherbourg and keep the ship in Portsmouth on the third night.  But that would need crew change outside France.  The Cherbourg crossing needs turnrounds kept to 2 hours to make it work - so this may be too intensive to be able to operate reliably.  If the Flexers could do Spain in 25 hours (which I doubt) then the daily service to both ports could be managed comfortably.

I doubt they'll do the Spanish sailings even in 26 hours, they're no quicker than BDS, in fact at full speed they're slower. it may be more realistic to expect the same 28.5 hours and 3 hr turnarounds.

 

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13 minutes ago, jonno said:

I doubt they'll do the Spanish sailings even in 26 hours, they're no quicker than BDS, in fact at full speed they're slower. it may be more realistic to expect the same 28.5 hours and 3 hr turnarounds.

Yes, I basically agree.  Ok, just a daily service to Spain between them then:

Day 1:  0830 dep Portsmouth

Day 2:  1400 arr Spain;  1700 dep Spain

Day 3:  2030 arr Portsmouth

The Spanish port of call would be day of the week dependent.  Probably 3 times a week to Santander (complimenting the twice weekly service from Plymouth using PA) and 4 times a week to Bilbao. That would probably displace any continuing need for the twice weekly freight operation from Poole (but would need to fit around the Rosslare service).

So, maybe:  Santander sees PA on Mon and Weds (as at present) and a Portsmouth Flexer on Tues, Thurs, Sat.

Bilbao sees the Rosslare ship on Tues and Thurs, with the Portsmouth Flexer calling on Mon, Weds, Fri, Sun?

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The above would make berth 2 available to cruise ships between 0900 and 2000 daily.  The Flexer then sits on it overnight.

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30 minutes ago, Gareth said:

Yes, I basically agree.  Ok, just a daily service to Spain between them then:

Day 1:  0830 dep Portsmouth

Day 2:  1400 arr Spain;  1700 dep Spain

Day 3:  2030 arr Portsmouth

The Spanish port of call would be day of the week dependent.  Probably 3 times a week to Santander (complimenting the twice weekly service from Plymouth using PA) and 4 times a week to Bilbao. That would probably displace any continuing need for the twice weekly freight operation from Poole (but would need to fit around the Rosslare service).

So, maybe:  Santander sees PA on Mon and Weds (as at present) and a Portsmouth Flexer on Tues, Thurs, Sat.

Bilbao sees the Rosslare ship on Tues and Thurs, with the Portsmouth Flexer calling on Mon, Weds, Fri, Sun?

I agree with your theory about a daily service with the flexers, it’s no accident they’ve ordered 3.

if this happens it will be interesting to see how they manage a weekly crew change, maybe Spain or maybe from Cherbourg via NEX to Portsmouth.

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Rather than sitting on the berth in Portsmouth overnight they can cruise across to Cherbourg, do the crew change and proceed on to Spain from there. The speed of the Cherbourg crossing can be adjusted depending on how much time they need to make up in the schedule. Ed. 

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1 hour ago, Gareth said:

They could, but that would turn every outbound crossing to Spain into a 2-nighter.  That was P&O’s downfall.

No, only every other southbound crossing surely. They'd only change crews once a week. If they timed those changes right they could do them on those days that suit the mini-cruise market the best. Ed. 

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17 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

No, only every other southbound crossing surely. They'd only change crews once a week. If they timed those changes right they could do them on those days that suit the mini-cruise market the best. Ed. 

But that then dispenses with the “daily at the same time” concept.

Anyway, either way, the “daily at the same time concept” using 3 ships on a 3-day repeating cycle would necessarily part with a BF tradition that has been in place throughout the history of the company.  Namely that ships have 7-day repeating cycles.  Moving to 6-day repeating cycles would have a major effect on crew patterns and crew contracts, and for that reason it may not happen.  6 days a week, with each ship fitting in two trips to Spain and then a spell on Portsmouth-Cherbourg on the 7th day may be more likely.

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True. If that's the aim then another Cherbourg call northbound would also need to be added in giving one- and two-night options both ways three times per week. Ed. 

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2 hours ago, Cabin-boy said:

Rather than sitting on the berth in Portsmouth overnight they can cruise across to Cherbourg, do the crew change and proceed on to Spain from there. The speed of the Cherbourg crossing can be adjusted depending on how much time they need to make up in the schedule. Ed. 

Who's to say that the ships will be French crewed. They are the first ever with Spanish names, they may have Spanish crews and Spanish registration?

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