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3 minutes ago, VikingVoyager said:

With this virus, you don't need any amounts - simply following the government guidelines and returning to university would have had much the same result, in my opinion. But vilifying a whole age group based on the actions of a few sells more papers and shores up votes.  

Keep safe.

It would be wrong of it were just in the UK but we are seeing the same trend here in France, maybe worse, and everyone knows what happening but no politician had the guts to come out and say it publicly so instead they punish everyone. 

Ed

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We've a young crowd in here today!

It will be pasta and rice next, how have they got through the stockpiles from March?

Neil’s photo reminded me of my own mother, also a Margaret and 88 years young, lives on her own in a retirement flat near Bristol. She hasn’t seen anyone for over a week now so really important point

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6 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

It would be wrong of it were just in the UK but we are seeing the same trend here in France, maybe worse, and everyone knows what happening but no politician had the guts to come out and say it publicly so instead they punish everyone. 

Ed

What is it that is happening?

I see governments encouraging people to mix and infection rates going up. 

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If I were a cynic I would say that it is deliberately designed to get as many low risk people as possible infected to help create an immunity barrier.

Maybe they should have held a 3 week lock in party before term started to get it all out of the way.

1 hour ago, cvabishop said:

I'm not aware of any reports of 75 to 80s dancing in the streets or holding wild house parties

Judging by the increases in STD rates in the UK 65+, dancing is not on their mind. And you can still catch COVID too.

From PHE for 2015 to 2019.
15-19     +5.36%
20-24    -3.98%
25-34    +4.90%
35-44    +16.59%
45-64    +22.05%
65+        +28.22%

The numerical increase for 15-19 age is less than 65+ too.

So looks like students are passing on COVID rather than their genes.

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5 minutes ago, Paul W. H said:

When are you all going to learn that there are two sets of rules, one for "you" and one for those in privilaged positions, always has been and always will be.

Lest we forget that we could always cite the person telling us the rules may have misspoken.

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7 hours ago, elaine80 said:

she's not the brightest of folk

That does beg the question of what the other candidates did wrong not to be elected. Unless of course they were bright cookies but conservatives or socialists too.

In the photos I've seen, I can't work out whether she looks ill (COVID symptoms) or is Alice Cooper's grandmother. 

Ed. 

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29 minutes ago, VikingVoyager said:

And as if to prove that Corona Virus is not fussy, I see Trump now has it. I wonder how that could have happened?

Its not Corona virus. Its a Democrat and media hoax! Well, he said it ....

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10 hours ago, Cabin-boy said:

That does beg the question of what the other candidates did wrong not to be elected. Unless of course they were bright cookies but conservatives or socialists too.

In the photos I've seen, I can't work out whether she looks ill (COVID symptoms) or is Alice Cooper's grandmother. 

Ed. 

Stick an SNP badge on any candidate and they will get elected in many constituencies. The other parties just don't have the presence in Scotland and many are voting SNP because they see them as the least bad choice rather than because they necessarily want an independent country. Having lived in the Rutherglen and Hamilton West constituency for many years, I know that the SNP has a lot of talent locally. When Margaret Ferrier won the seat for the first time, she overturned a Labour majority of over 21000 and was perhaps not expected to win so may have been put up as a token candidate. She lost to a Labour councillor in 2017 and then regained the seat in the last election.

In the few years that I have been aware of her, she has always had the pale skin, black hair look.

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On 02/10/2020 at 17:22, elaine80 said:

In the few years that I have been aware of her, she has always had the pale skin, black hair look.

Not to take away from her indefensible behaviour, but what's someone's appearance got to do with anything?

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11 minutes ago, Jim said:

Not to take away from her indefensible behaviour, but what's someone's appearance got to do with anything?

Elaine was answering my question about whether the photos used in the press showed her as she normally looks. Or if her COVID infection might have contributed to her palid complexion. Ed.

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Surely autumn, with fewer people travelling anyway, is the perfect time for the UK government to roll out such a test at airports and seaports to put an end to the quarantine issue. One test on arrival, social distancing to be observed for 48 hours (which most of us are capable of doing but no draconian restrictions) and a second similar test (or PCR depending on availablity) to confirm the first.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54402096

Unless somebody puts in a freedon of information request for the statistics relating to the number of people quarantining and who subsequently develop symptoms and test positive, how can we know how effective it is? 

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The prevalence of CV2 in quarantine depends on a number of factors so there is no universal figure. If people obey quarantine then it is very effective at identifying / isolating the rest of the population from CV2 should it be present.

However studies have shown in the UK that although the quarantine intention is >90%, around 80% then bend the rules to suit them but most in the belief keeping with the spirit of quarantine.

Some were even found to be going to work as thought OK. The mind boggles. With that thinking what jobs are they doing? MP ...

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A new manuscript in Nature shows potential genetic causes for the serious effects of SARS-CoV-2 virus. Abstract is
 

”A recent genetic association study identified a gene cluster on chromosome 3 as a risk locus for respiratory failure upon SARS-CoV-2 infection. A new study comprising 3,199 hospitalized COVID-19 patients and controls finds that this is the major genetic risk factor for severe SARS-CoV-2 infection and hospitalization (COVID-19 Host Genetics Initiative). Here, we show that the risk is conferred by a genomic segment of ~50 kb that is inherited from Neanderthals and is carried by ~50% of people in South Asia and ~16% of people in Europe today.”

Everyday we discover more.

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30 minutes ago, cvabishop said:

Wouldn't something like this immediately before you travel be better?

 

In theory yes, but in reality you would want to know you were negative before you travel to the airport etc. and what happens if one person in your bubble tests positive at the airport, do none of you travel.

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In theory yes, but in reality you would want to know you were negative before you travel to the airport etc. and what happens if one person in your bubble tests positive at the airport, do none of you travel.

Yes, you are right, it does rather depend on who you are travelling with. In our case, as a couple probably not a problem but different if you are with a larger, maybe intergenerational, family group.

But a snag for us if tested at th destination is that we normally only go away for a week, stay in self catering accommodation, eat out and like to go exploring so effectively maybe reducing a 7 day holiday to 5 usable days or less is not an attractive option. Better to remain in the UK where you can travel around more freely, although perhaps not north of Watford...

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