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3 minutes ago, cvabishop said:

Trying to isolate individual towns across Europe could be a nuance too far, is the available data sufficiently detailed to form a judgement in each case and how do you select which resorts to target?

I think that the main tour operators can help with regard to identifying the main resort offenders and stop using them (as TUI did with one of them), that would certainly help.

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It will be pasta and rice next, how have they got through the stockpiles from March?

We've a young crowd in here today!

Thanks for asking @jonno No change I’m afraid, felt a little better yesterday but a little worse today. Trying to rest as much as possible. Think the missus is on the mend though, she’s now

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I think that the main tour operators can help with regard to identifying the main resort offenders and stop using them (as TUI did with one of them), that would certainly help.

Difficult ground there - has anyone other than Tui embargoed a specific resort - I doubt it.

 

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2 hours ago, elaine80 said:

And it looks like we are heading for more restrictions in Lanarkshire. Given that Glasgow is already facing restrictions, it doesn't surprise me. 

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/lanarkshire-very-close-to-coronavirus-restrictions?fbclid=IwAR2Te_yHqnKe9Fh_aKNY1N4kp0LUjJ8hU6-9O4M0tXmuCOQvVaX30Geq9ik&top

I wish we knew how this situation has arisen when throughout the Scots have been so much more cautious in their handling of the virus than other UK areas? More local to me in Leicester, the 'blame' game has been in full swing - the behavior of youngsters - sweatshop  working conditions - returning travelers from Asia - crowded housing - flouting of rules in restaurants - the list goes on!

 

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1 hour ago, Cabin-boy said:

I hadn't realised I was. What did I do?

As to the BBC, it's all free, isn't it? 

Ed. 

Huh, I manage to pay a licence fee both in the UK and France.

I note that a couple of your more dodgy light hearted comments have been modded !

Best Wishes

David

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2 hours ago, colin said:

House parties of 300 people, big gatherings of 18-35 year olds, just like here in Brittany!

Oh and contempt for masks shown by so many.

Got the tram into Edinburgh today must say mask compliance was very good a lot of folk wearing them on the streets as well as indoors.

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2 hours ago, colin said:

House parties of 300 people, big gatherings of 18-35 year olds, just like here in Brittany!

Oh and contempt for masks shown by so many.

I live in Lanarkshire. This week I have been in Aldi and Lidl and in both shops there were people not wearing masks or wearing them incorrectly, This afternoon I took my daughter to Wilko and there was a family (mum plus two older teens) in front of us in the queue, all wearing their masks round their chins. My trip to Aldi coincided with high school lunchtime and the youngsters out- for lunch were walking 6 abreast down the pavement in the town centre, preventing anyone passing them.

It's not just the 18-35s who are having big gatherings. A friend was telling us last weekend that they as a family had been invited to a cousin's 40th birthday. For a variety of reasons, they didn't go but saw photos on Facebook of what was actually a surprise wedding reception and there had been over 60 people there in a very small space.

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If the UK anything like Ireland then “travel abroad” counts for less than 3% of all Covid cases. It's stupid behaviour of those mentioned above in this forum whose lack of standard precautions is causing these increases in cases.

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Unable to buy my newspaper this moring as Extinction Rebellion have decided it doesn't report the right sort of news and therefore I shouldn't be reading it. Printers have been blockaded but apparently the editions will be coming out later.

How to win friends and influence people, not to mention the arrogance of feeling they can decide what I should or should not read.

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2 hours ago, cvabishop said:

How to win friends and influence people, not to mention the arrogance of feeling they can decide what I should or should not read.

Do you really prefer a foreigner like Murdoch to decide what you should read? He isn't called the Dirty Digger in Australia for nothing.

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Do you really prefer a foreigner like Murdoch to decide what you should read? He isn't called the Dirty Digger in Australia for nothing.

So what do you think I should read then? Twitter?  RT? All the papers have their own bias, that's what a free press is all about and I'd like to choose myself frather than have ER censor my reading for me. In fact I read the Times which has a pretty good spread of opinions, some of which I agree with, some I don't. I also get news from other sources as well.

So yes, I would prefer to read the Times rather than not be able to read the Times as ER would like to be the case. Shutting down newspapers is usually the province of dictatorships and I really wouldn't want to see the UK go down that route. I think some of the tabloids are self serving rabble rousing comics but that's just my opinion, I wouldn't want to close them down just because I don't agree with their point of view.

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I wonder how we will be judged in the future - we knew the world was on fire but when people drew attention to it the outrage was about a consequential delay to that day's newspapers rather than in the lack urgency of action to deal with the planetary catastrophe.

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I wonder how we will be judged in the future - we knew the world was on fire but when people drew attention to it the outrage was about a consequential delay to that day's newspapers rather than in the lack urgency of action to deal with the planetary catastrophe.

Um, I rather think we knew the world was on fire and global warming was real without the need for these people tying themselves to things in the UK. The biggest problems are in other countries where the emissions are many orders of magnitude greater than in Britain which is actually making progress with renewable energy.

If you want people to be persuaded to embrace and join your cause then rubbing them up the wrong way and personally inconvenicencing them isn't the best way to do it and in fact tends to obscure the message you are trying to put over. Just like if you want to change somebody's mind about something then ranting at them tends not to produce the desired effect.

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One of the sites being targetted by ER this morning was at Eurocentral which is within the Lanarkshire area which is being threatened with renewed restrictions if we don't behave properly this weekend in terms of socialising. 

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A quick online search shows plenty of substantial articles in the Times this year drawing attention to the serious adverse effects of global warning, certainly it is a subject which comes up often enough and also in relation to other things as well such as the Australian and Californian wildfires and effects on wildlife.

In a report in today's edition (I've got it now having driven back to the newsagent, with consequent unnecessary emissions) one of ER's leaders, Rupert Read, is reported as saying that 'parasitc' hard left groups are trying to piggy back om climate protests to further political causes.

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42 minutes ago, cvabishop said:

A quick online search shows plenty of substantial articles in the Times this year drawing attention to the serious adverse effects of global warning, certainly it is a subject which comes up often enough and also in relation to other things as well such as the Australian and Californian wildfires and effects on wildlife.

In a report in today's edition (I've got it now having driven back to the newsagent, with consequent unnecessary emissions) one of ER's leaders, Rupert Read, is reported as saying that 'parasitc' hard left groups are trying to piggy back om climate protests to further political causes.

I am sure that all of us agree that now is the time to do whatever is necessary to combat climate change and not leave a terrible legacy for future generations.

However I think that Rupert Read is certainly correct.. XR, like many other well meaning predominantly peaceful protest groups, eventually become a target to be infiltrated by more violent anti-establishment rabble groups.

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To be honest, XR have openly admitted themselves that they want to cause as much disruption as possible.  Peaceful they say, but all that means is that they are not violent.  But they WANT to be arrested, and bring life to a standstill for many individuals because of their ideologies.  That is not peaceful.  No doubt the hard Left get involved, and they provide the rabble rousing, but in all honesty, XR’s main ethos is to cause as much disruption as possible, and that in itself is indirectly UNpeaceful.   I heard on the news this week of a GP who was attending a gathering.  Not mine, but if I ever found out my GP was involved I’d change doctors.  I have been trying all week to get through go my surgery without success, and have sent a strong letter about this to the practice manager as I really need to sort out a consultation but has been impossible to do so.  Lines were a loop of engaged tones and recorded messages, and the e-consult form was still throwing up questions after 30 minutes.  I presume that this is quite common at the moment, so if I found out it was my GP who found the time to go to XR protests then I would be hopping mad.

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