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12 hours ago, cvabishop said:

Government warning not to party in this weekend advance of 'Rule of 6'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54130008

I am currently looking out of my window at at least 20 of my neighbours, parents & kids partying on the green in front of their houses as if there were no tomorrow. Maybe there won't be now...

I do love this "magic" figure of 6. As if its God given that if its 6- its ok.
We have a major anniversary coming up and I've told the kids not to travel  some 180 miles to see us. Stay away and protect your families. Wife, jokingly (I hope!) said could we have her brother and wife to come instead!
Sister in law, after months in an ITU some time ago is excited to be going out (again) with all the family for more lunches. Friends talk of having BBQ's with friends round, separate toilets allocated of course! Has Britain gone mad? What's all this rush to shop and socialise all about.

I take the view that the end game is to survive. Now work back and see how you can  best achieve this. Socialising, shopping, BBQing, Pubs, madness on the beach etc  and the views of politicians are not on my survival list. Then revue again that what you do is still the best course.

This virus is a disaster. It needs disaster management not slogans like "moonshots" or another effort like only 6 people but only after the weekend. 

Back to bed now nurse please.

Stu

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It will be pasta and rice next, how have they got through the stockpiles from March?

We've a young crowd in here today!

Thanks for asking @jonno No change I’m afraid, felt a little better yesterday but a little worse today. Trying to rest as much as possible. Think the missus is on the mend though, she’s now

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13 hours ago, neilcvx said:

Also worth remembering that it’s often the younger generation involved in customer facing roles so they are therefore more prone to a risk of infection.

Yes most are at risk every day working in shops, hospitals factories etc. not everybody can work from home.

They may think what is the difference between serving 100 customers in a shop or bar or a social gathering of 10 or 20 friends. 

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13 hours ago, cvabishop said:

Ah well, sacrificial lambs us. We'd better get on with spending the kids inheritance then.

I am not saying I agree with what they are doing just that I can understand their point of view. As they are your neighbors did you ask why they felt the need to party? The green indicates that they are probably quite affluent and possibly well educated. I won't say intelligent as if they were they would not be partying. 

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Snooping on neighbours, as I have said elsewhere ages ago here - people who rat on their neighbours, they will still be their neighbours when all this is over.  The problem is mass gatherings, when we had the beach situation here in Bournemouth back in the year, people panicked.  But that is one beach on one weekend.  Pubs and bars are open every day and large amounts of alcohol do nothing for social distancing.  I would never report any of my neighbours because family gatherings at homes are not really the issue here.

11 pm curfew during the week and 12 pm at weekends,  no alcohol served unless sat down with a meal and booze sales restricted or banned in supermarkets.  And ban protests.

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The green indicates that they are probably quite affluent and possibly well educated. I won't say intelligent as if they were they would not be partying. 

Actually we live on a Housing Association development which was built in the 1960s when land was cheaper and it was considered socially desirable to provide communal recreation areas where childern could play etc., not like the overpriced gimcrack cardboard rabbit hutches thar comprise today's future ghettos!

It's a mix of housing now all owned on 999 year leases but there are no really high end units, probably at least 50% are two bed houses, bungalows and maisonettes. For anyone interested you can see a map and photos here:

https://www.cranleigh-pc.gov.uk/_UserFiles/Files/N Plan/Appendix 4.3 Green Space.pdf

Look at Park Mead pages 25-32.

Inhabitants are just all average citizens although almost all white as is generally the case in this rural area.

Yesterday's gathering involved 35-45 somethings with their kids. All generally upstanding law abiding citizens. I think the point is that if these people are not on board with Government policy and restrictions then there is little hope of general public compliance with the confused edicts costantly being issued from on high with little or no backup enforcement.

As is being said on here, people are now tending to assess their own personal degree of risk and act accordingly but I suspect that the blizzard of statistics and innacurate reporting is not necessarily giving them the best basis for doing so.

The so called 'science' has been hollow and inconsistent at best and not a reliable source of information for the layman. The politicians are several orders of magnitude worse and stand accused of allowing different policies in the four countries of the UK despite everyone having the same 'science' to work on. That really does undermine public confidence.

However, on we go as best we can...

 

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One of my students at the university didn't come to class on Friday morning (first lesson of the new semester) as she had lost her sense of taste and smell and was waiting for her test results. Theoretically she could well have contaminated any of the other group members at the start of the week,  or been contaminated by one of them. This morning another member of the group has just contacted at the teachers (including me) to say she went for a test on Friday and is positive (quite why she attended class in the morning if she intended to get tested in the afternoon is a mystery). So I'm now waiting to see if anyone phones or emails me as a potential 'close contact'. I would have been close to her for a few seconds as she entered and exited the classroom and again while distributing a handout but otherwise kept a distance. Very few people have the contract-tracing app but assuming the same rules are applied (1m proximity for more than 15 minutes) then I'm not deemed a risk. We shall see. If I have to stay at home for the final week of the Tour de France then that's a sacrifice I'll just have to struggle with. Ed. 

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The Scottish app is currently sitting at 867k downloads over 15% of the population which is a good start , if the uptake of people who go out is higher than that then it’s even better news , I was reading that the English app works in an entirely different way .

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3 hours ago, cvabishop said:

The politicians are several orders of magnitude worse and stand accused of allowing different policies in the four countries of the UK despite everyone having the same 'science' to work on. That really does undermine public confidence.

This is one thing where devolution has made things worse, the devolved parliaments have done things differently or at different times to England just because they could.  Boris is the Prime minister of the UK not just England, so the rules he sets, rightly or wrongly, should be for everyone no variation of rules in the other parts of the country, take away some of the confusion.  Perhaps if the BBC etc just gave us the rules for our parts of the country it would stop some confusion, I'm in Cornwall I don't need to know the rules in Scotland and vice versa.

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5 minutes ago, Solo said:

This is one thing where devolution has made things worse, the devolved parliaments have done things differently or at different times to England just because they could.  Boris is the Prime minister of the UK not just England, so the rules he sets, rightly or wrongly, should be for everyone no variation of rules in the other parts of the country, take away some of the confusion.  Perhaps if the BBC etc just gave us the rules for our parts of the country it would stop some confusion, I'm in Cornwall I don't need to know the rules in Scotland and vice versa.

That statement is categorically untrue , the devolved parliaments have made decisions based on local statistics and adapted them to suit a totally different demographic than England’s, Scotland has a different NHS Boris doesn’t set the rules for that, Scotland has a different legal system that Boris doesn’t set the rules for, it says in the act of Union we are a “union of equals “ , given the popularity of the Scottish governments handling of the pandemic I suspect most Scots are happy Boris isn’t setting our rules.

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2 hours ago, Solo said:

This is one thing where devolution has made things worse, the devolved parliaments have done things differently or at different times to England just because they could.  Boris is the Prime minister of the UK not just England, so the rules he sets, rightly or wrongly, should be for everyone no variation of rules in the other parts of the country, take away some of the confusion.  Perhaps if the BBC etc just gave us the rules for our parts of the country it would stop some confusion, I'm in Cornwall I don't need to know the rules in Scotland and vice versa.

Agreed but anybody but Boris or Nicola. Also the rules do not seem to apply to politicians or their advisors. Its great at the moment we have had 12 days away from all British media another 8 to go. Not even bothered with Spanish TV. Getting all my information from people on here.

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11 minutes ago, IanN said:

Agreed but anybody but Boris or Nicola. Also the rules do not seem to apply to politicians or their advisors. Its great at the moment we have had 12 days away from all British media another 8 to go. Not even bothered with Spanish TV. Getting all my information from people on here.

Well Nicola sacked her advisor when she broke the rules Boris on the other hand,,, 

anyway like it or lump it we have a devolved parliament in Scotland and we have a leader who is making decisions she believes are best for Scotland I would say that’s a positive aspect of devolution if you can’t understand that if you’re in Wales welsh rules apply to you if you’re in Scotland Scottish rules apply to you and so on then there’s not much hope of you following the rules at all .

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5 minutes ago, cvabishop said:

Would haggis be a cure for Covid-19? It would certainly flush out the systems of us softie Southerners.

Interesting you should say that. 

I spoke to my father earlier and his dog-walking friend told him this morning that he'd just booked a nice house on the shores of Loch Lomond for 10 days over Christmas and New Year. This will allow him and his wife (both in their 70s) to see their two daughters and their respective husbands (6 adults) as well as their five grandchildren in perfect legality. He thinks Nicola is wonderful for being so accommodating and thinking about all those English people looking for solutions to get around Boris' rules. What could possibly go wrong?  😉 Ed. 

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1 minute ago, Cabin-boy said:

Interesting you should say that. 

I spoke to my father earlier and his dog-walking friend told him this morning that he'd just booked a nice house on the shores of Loch Lomond for 10 days over Christmas and New Year. This will allow him and his wife (both in their 70s) to see their two daughters and their respective husbands (6 adults) as well as their five grandchildren in perfect legality. He thinks Nicola is wonderful for being so accommodating and thinking about all those English people looking for solutions to get around Boris' rules. What could possibly go wrong?  😉 Ed. 

Well Loch Lommond is 10 miles away from the Glasgow lockdown so if that’s extended, 

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3 minutes ago, neilcvx said:

Mind and get them to download the app for their holiday.

I'm sure they will follow the rules as one of their daughters lives in Scotland. Apparently the home-owner has had a lot of interest for the October half-term too, most of it from English visitors. Ed. 

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3 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

I'm sure they will follow the rules as one of their daughters lives in Scotland. Apparently the home-owner has had a lot of interest for the October half-term too, most of it from English visitors. Ed. 

The app is entirely optional although only effective if most people down load it , Tarbert is a stunningly beautiful part of Scotland it’s often frequented by English tourists Covid or no Covid although I suspect there’s less Americans and Japanese tourists there this year .

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8 minutes ago, neilcvx said:

Tarbert is a stunningly beautiful part of Scotland

I spent every New Year from 1989 to 2003 up on Loch Fyne with friends. We always took the Western Ferries boat from Gourock to Dunoon on the way over but drove back via the 'Rest and be Thankful', Arrochar and Tarbet to save time. The whole area, plus Inveraray, is spectacular. Ed. 

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1 minute ago, Cabin-boy said:

I spent every New Year from 1989 to 2003 up on Loch Fyne with friends. We always took the Western Ferries boat from Gourock to Dunoon on the way over but drove back via the 'Rest and be Thankful', Arrochar and Tarbet to save time. The whole area, plus Inveraray, is spectacular. Ed. 

Sometimes 

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/rest-and-be-thankful-to-remain-closed-after-landslide

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5 hours ago, neilcvx said:

That statement is categorically untrue , the devolved parliaments have made decisions based on local statistics and adapted them to suit a totally different demographic than England’s, Scotland has a different NHS Boris doesn’t set the rules for that, Scotland has a different legal system that Boris doesn’t set the rules for, it says in the act of Union we are a “union of equals “ , given the popularity of the Scottish governments handling of the pandemic I suspect most Scots are happy Boris isn’t setting our rules.

I was trying to make the point about different variations of basically the same rules leading to confusion, the BBC etc should only give the rules in the areas that they apply.  BBC Scotland should give the Scottish rules and BBC England the rules for England.  I don't think any politician has got it completely right.

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14 hours ago, neilcvx said:

Well Nicola sacked her advisor

If you are talking about the chief medical officer didn't she official resign. Anyway I take your point the ministers and advisors in England seem to have no honor or conscience

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12 hours ago, Cabin-boy said:

Interesting you should say that. 

I spoke to my father earlier and his dog-walking friend told him this morning that he'd just booked a nice house on the shores of Loch Lomond for 10 days over Christmas and New Year. This will allow him and his wife (both in their 70s) to see their two daughters and their respective husbands (6 adults) as well as their five grandchildren in perfect legality. He thinks Nicola is wonderful for being so accommodating and thinking about all those English people looking for solutions to get around Boris' rules. What could possibly go wrong?  😉 Ed. 


so he is breaking the law

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I see some Breton campsites are being made to shut early due to Covid concerns.

https://www.facebook.com/866368906853155/posts/1745931578896879/

hello to all,
Thank you for participating in this special season and respected the health protocol 🙏
The weather conditions and your good mood have allowed us to have a great season 💙

However, I regret to announce the closure of the campsite on September 15 instead of September 30

For your safety, the prefecture prefers to close establishments located in the marine submersion area.
Don't worry we will meet again next year starting April 1st.

We wish you a happy new year! Take care of yourself

Kenavo friends!

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