Tumnus2010 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I was just looking at ship brokerage website and found the two Zeebrugge Prides I believe listed there - the two 1987 179m boats. What was more surprising was towards the top of the page there is a 2001 215m listing which matches the spec and cabin capacity for Pride of Rotterdam and Hull. I've never looked at this site before so not sure if this routine sort of stuff? Link to post Share on other sites
Paully Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 28 minutes ago, Tumnus2010 said: I was just looking at ship brokerage website and found the two Zeebrugge Prides I believe listed there - the two 1987 179m boats. What was more surprising was towards the top of the page there is a 2001 215m listing which matches the spec and cabin capacity for Pride of Rotterdam and Hull. I've never looked at this site before so not sure if this routine sort of stuff? Wouldn`t suprise me in the least if the 2 remaining Hull ships were sold off/scrapped. Ever since Hull has been run by Dover they have wanted rid of it. I hope I`m wrong though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan_H Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I wouldn't be surprised to see P&O abandon Hull altogether, but surely someone else would take on the Rotterdam operation? The ships and terminal are bespoke for the route. Of course these aren't exactly the best of times economically but still I would have thought the likes of DFDS or Stena might be interested, if they were allowed to that is. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Tumnus2010 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I had wondered if they were potentially looking to see if anyone wanted to buy them and then charter back? Only one boat is listed though. Maybe it's another vessel but the dimensions and cabin number do match. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Paully Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Although the 2 Rotterdam ships have large freight space, they also have large hotel accomodation and I think its this bit that P & O don`t want. Thats likely to be an unknown, with ongoing expense, for some time. I can see them, if they choose to remain at Hull, going for unaccompanied freight to the Continent. Maybe even retaining just one of the `Prides` to do it..We shall see in the fullness of time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jonno Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Many shipping companies offer their tonnage to brokers, the GNV ships have been advertised for years so too has Tallink's Silja Europa. Brokers never seem to remove the listings either once the company removes or sells them. The usual suspects found on a google search have lists which in some cases are years out of date. @Tumnus2010 It would be interesting to know which site you where looking at? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Tumnus2010 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 @jonno it's from norshipsale.com 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RickOShea Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 EUROPEAN SEAWAY, PRIDE OF BURGUNDY, PRIDE OF YORK and PRIDE OF BRUGES are all being circulated for sale by reputable brokers. Link to post Share on other sites
Tumnus2010 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 News on Facebook site that the King George Dock Terminal building in Hull is to close this week, before decommissioning and deconstruction at a future date to make way for land storage areas. This is the terminal latterly used by Pride of York/Bruges, and Norland/Nortar in its heyday too. The main River Terminal building where the Rotterdam boats depart from is unaffected. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Paully Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) Obviously ABP are not expecting passenger sailings ever to depart from that dock ever again nor by any other operator. Very sad Edited March 2 by Paully 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan_H Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Very sad indeed. What about cruise ships? Didn't they use that terminal as well? Link to post Share on other sites
Paully Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 35 minutes ago, Ryan_H said: Very sad indeed. What about cruise ships? Didn't they use that terminal as well? Not sure, but the constraint was always the width with the Bruges and York being specifically built to go through the lock. I guess ABP now want to concentrate on freight and by the sound of it unaccompanied/container at that Link to post Share on other sites
Tumnus2010 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 They did use some of the terminal for some cruise ships. Remember seeing a documentary where the cruise ships in Hull didn't appear to use the facilities though. It all appeared a bit Heath Robinson with one of the customs sheds being used for car parking and sorting luggage. There are plans for a "proper" cruise terminal on the Humber, that's positioned near The Deep and Victoria Dock. Apparently this is still on track for 2024. This would obviously give access to much larger tonnage than the ones that can access King George Dock. Hull is keen to be able to offer out coach trips to York and Nottingham to cruise trips. I can't help but think that if the second river berth had been completed at the ferry port, the options for Zeebrugge and the replacement of the ships might be a different story. Although I still think they'd need another passenger terminal, or a bus to load foot passengers on and off like BF do in places. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Gareth Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 So King George Dock, Hull, joins the long list of ferry ports from the heyday of ferries that are now not just disused but also dismantled and converted to other use. Other examples: Weymouth ferry port Southampton Princess Alexandria Dock Folkestone Felixstowe original TT terminal Zeebrugge original (inner) NSF terminal Dunkerque East original train ferry berth Dover Western Docks Le Havre both original terminals Dieppe original in-town terminal Ostend ferry port Zeebrugge original TT terminal Amsterdam both Tor Line terminals 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Le Quiberon Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 3 hours ago, Gareth said: So King George Dock, Hull, joins the long list of ferry ports from the heyday of ferries that are now not just disused but also dismantled and converted to other use. Other examples: Weymouth ferry port Southampton Princess Alexandria Dock Folkestone Felixstowe original TT terminal Zeebrugge original (inner) NSF terminal Dunkerque East original train ferry berth Dover Western Docks Le Havre both original terminals Dieppe original in-town terminal Ostend ferry port Zeebrugge original TT terminal Amsterdam both Tor Line terminals Also add in ex-Stranraer and Fleetwood. Link to post Share on other sites
Gareth Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 59 minutes ago, Le Quiberon said: Also add in ex-Stranraer and Fleetwood. Both ferry ports still actually there at present I believe (?), only disused. Several other ports are also in that category - Dun Laoghaire, Swansea, Ramsgate, Boulogne, Sheerness, Vlissingen to name a few. The Channel Tunnel and cheap flying have a lot to answer for. Link to post Share on other sites
Tumnus2010 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just to note, the documentary featuring the cruise ship I was refering too was called Sea City - The Humber Estuary, and was on BBC1 in 2016. Not currently on iPlayer. But link to homepage is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06z9k79 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Trun Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 54 minutes ago, Gareth said: Both ferry ports still actually there at present I believe (?), only disused. Several other ports are also in that category - Dun Laoghaire, Swansea, Ramsgate, Boulogne, Sheerness, Vlissingen to name a few. The Channel Tunnel and cheap flying have a lot to answer for. Add Brighton Marina into the latter list, although passenger only ferries ever used it. Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan_H Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 3 hours ago, Trun said: Add Brighton Marina into the latter list, although passenger only ferries ever used it. Would that be the Boeing Jetfoils to Oostende? Those things looked amazing... Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Hyde Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 8 hours ago, Gareth said: So King George Dock, Hull, joins the long list of ferry ports from the heyday of ferries that are now not just disused but also dismantled and converted to other use. Other examples: Weymouth ferry port Southampton Princess Alexandria Dock Folkestone Felixstowe original TT terminal Zeebrugge original (inner) NSF terminal Dunkerque East original train ferry berth Dover Western Docks Le Havre both original terminals Dieppe original in-town terminal Ostend ferry port Zeebrugge original TT terminal Amsterdam both Tor Line terminals Also add DFDS Tor Line passenger terminal at Felixstowe!!! The second terminal at this town. Services moved to Harwich in March 1983 Link to post Share on other sites
Gareth Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 16 minutes ago, Nick Hyde said: Also add DFDS Tor Line passenger terminal at Felixstowe!!! The second terminal at this town. Services moved to Harwich in March 1983 The old Tor line terminal was roro berths 3 and 4 at Felixstowe. They (unlike the TT terminal at berths 1 and 2) are still there - they are used today by the DFDS freight service to Vlardingen. Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Hyde Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 49 minutes ago, Gareth said: The old Tor line terminal was roro berths 3 and 4 at Felixstowe. They (unlike the TT terminal at berths 1 and 2) are still there - they are used today by the DFDS freight service to Vlardingen. Is the old DFDS Tor Line passenger terminal building still there in Felixstowe? I guess it got demolished decades ago. Link to post Share on other sites
Le Quiberon Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 9 hours ago, Gareth said: Both ferry ports still actually there at present I believe (?), only disused. Several other ports are also in that category - Dun Laoghaire, Swansea, Ramsgate, Boulogne, Sheerness, Vlissingen to name a few. The Channel Tunnel and cheap flying have a lot to answer for. Yes you are right I totally misunderstood. Yes they are both unused but in-situ. I always thought Fleetwood should be revived for a UK - Manx or Eire service. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDW1946 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 With regard to Brighton Marina, I only remember the foot passenger fast craft to Dieppe. Made a nice day out, especially on Saturdays as it arrived just in time for Dieppe market. Link to post Share on other sites
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