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Images of MN Pelican in Ferrol. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/edouard-leveau-7b1aba65_it-is-a-way-better-without-clouds-and-with-activity-6763096676988198912-jqhw/?fbclid=IwAR0F_tx_FdZhYVi8ritJ1

Connemara in dry dock, thanks to Astilleros de Santander S.A.U. for the first photo and Viktors Trosins for the other two.

I’ve only just realised that Normandie has taken up residence in Cherbourg rather than heading for either Gdańsk or Santander for her lay up. Here are a few photos taken while delivering some much nee

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Just checking the schedules for CF standing in for Connemara on Rosslare-Bilbao.

CF is currently in dry dock at Santander, and AIS just reactivated so maybe coming out imminently.

Her first scheduled departure on the route is on 20 January ex-Rosslare.  And then her first scheduled departure from Bilbao is on the 21st.

Strange - from where she is, you’d think her entry into service would be on the northbound crossing.  It appears from the schedules that the plan is for her to travel in ballast to Rosslare.  Is this because she can’t carry cargo until she has carried out a berthing trial in Rosslare?  Is it something, perhaps, to do with a need for certification for operation by the Irish authorities?  Or maybe there is a departure from Spain before the 20th that is just not showing in the timetable because it is from Santander rather than Bilbao?

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Just recently Visby operated a commercial Dunkirk to Rosslare without a berthing trial, so I can't really see why CF wouldn't be able to do the same.  

Unless it is Brittany Ferries internal policy to require one?

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One possible difference is that Visby is operating freght-only whereas CF will (at least in principle, even though in the current circumstances and at this time of year it may not be very many) be carrying passengers as well.  Maybe BF has a policy of not carrying passengers to a port where the ship has not yet undertaken berthing trials (in case they get held up from disembarking)?

Mind you, the solution to that one would surely (?) have been to just make the northbound sailing officially freight-only (which would probably have made virtually no difference to loading in practice).  

So the freight v passenger difference between Visby and CF is probably not the explanation.

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Maybe the answer is that there isn't enough interest in a sailing from Santander to justify the berthing cost?

There doesn't seem to be any interest in offering an alternative to BF from Rosslare to any northern Spanish port. It seems some hauliers still prefer the U.K. Landbridge.

Stena perhaps when Etretat is returned in the Spring?

We also know that BF can reduce the crossing time using CF, question is will they?

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2 hours ago, jonno said:

It seems some hauliers still prefer the U.K. Landbridge.

Hard to see how that would be preferred , a land bridge from Ireland to Spain via the U.K. with all the uncertainty at the channel ports to contend with as well , why bother when you have a direct route from one E.U. country to another that's quicker .

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1 hour ago, Danim24 said:

Tugs on the move, hightide approaching.... one would suggest CF is about to leave drydock.

Yes, four tugs now in attendance, so looks like CF’s emergence from dry dock is imminent.

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3 hours ago, Chef said:

Hard to see how that would be preferred , a land bridge from Ireland to Spain via the U.K. with all the uncertainty at the channel ports to contend with as well , why bother when you have a direct route from one E.U. country to another that's quicker .

Sorry Chef, don't get that. There's only one ship serving Spain and the combined 28 crossings to and from Rosslare & France will only account for about a third of the trucks & trailers.

The other 120,000 are going somewhere and that's the U.K. via Cairnryan, Holyhead, Heysham, Liverpool (hence the E-Flexers) & Milford.

I'm not surprised by the figures being reported regarding Stena at Fishguard. The Welsh made their choice back in 2013/14 when the built the bypass towards Tenby & Pembs Dock.

Spain exports a hell of lot more to Ireland than France does too. The former is worth €1.53 billion the latter €275m.

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37 minutes ago, David Williams said:

Looks like a dog (the track not the ship!)

More like cat’s cradle...😂

Suppose she is around 75 in our years so probably a bit stiff before getting out of bed..😂

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53 minutes ago, jonno said:

The other 120,000

Is that number still current? Or have we seen, temporarily at least, a big reduction of cross Irish Sea traffic?

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2 hours ago, jonno said:

There's only one ship serving Spain and the combined 28 crossings to and from Rosslare & France will only account for about a third of the trucks & trailers.

CLDN's service Dublin to Santander , a triangular service which takes in a UK stop as well, plus CLDN's twice weekly from Cork to Zeebrugge and  also a twice weekly Dublin to Zeebrugge , as needed an extra sailing on either the Dublin or Cork service or both  as required that's potentially 35 crossing per week to the continent with 2 of them to Spain 

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1 hour ago, Chef said:

CLDN's service Dublin to Santander , a triangular service which takes in a UK stop as well, plus CLDN's twice weekly from Cork to Zeebrugge and  also a twice weekly Dublin to Zeebrugge , as needed an extra sailing on either the Dublin or Cork service or both  as required that's potentially 35 crossing per week to the continent with 2 of them to Spain 

That's understood but CLDN is unaccompanied and isn't included in the total of 150,000 trailers.

This is the figure Rosslare are using to attempt to entice market share of the accompanied business. They believe they will attract a third of it, figure quoted to me was 47,000 HGV's annually.

I've read DfT data which states 37,000 units head from Ireland to Spain annually but it didn't offer a break down as to modality.

Do you know whether inter-modal is the preferred choice for Spain. It's the only destination BF offer an unaccompanied shipping route and the new rail service will include cross border freight at Irun/Hendaye?

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On 11/01/2021 at 17:18, Chef said:

CLDN's service Dublin to Santander , a triangular service which takes in a UK stop as well, plus CLDN's twice weekly from Cork to Zeebrugge and  also a twice weekly Dublin to Zeebrugge , as needed an extra sailing on either the Dublin or Cork service or both  as required that's potentially 35 crossing per week to the continent with 2 of them to Spain 

Actually the Iberian services were split at the start of the year to separate the EU and non-EU service.

 

So its Porto - Santander - Dublin and Porto - Santander - Liverpool 

 

 

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7 hours ago, RickOShea said:

Actually the Iberian services were split at the start of the year to separate the EU and non-EU service.

 

So its Porto - Santander - Dublin and Porto - Santander - Liverpool 

 

 

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Let's hope that a CLdN navigation officer had no part in drawing up those graphics, brings a new meaning to "direct route"

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5 hours ago, Chef said:

Let's hope that a CLdN navigation officer had no part in drawing up those graphics, brings a new meaning to "direct route"

Even odder that the Liverpool ship takes a land route from Santander to Porto that is even further inland than the one that the Dublin one does!

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On 11/01/2021 at 09:10, Gareth said:

Timetables just show CF following Connemara’s schedule.

(Probably reduce the crossing time only when (😉) CF transfers to the route full time).

To pick up on Rick’s intel in the Le Havre thread, CF is now showing as operating a Rosslare-Cherbourg service on Monday.  So it looks as if there will be a northbound sailing from Spain, not in the schedules, at the latest by the normal departure time on Sunday.  Not clear yet whether that will be a commercial sailing or in ballast, and if the former whether it will be operating from Santander or Bilbao.

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2 hours ago, TonyMWeaver said:

MN Pelican will be dry docked in El Ferrol.

Yes, I just noticed that too.  That’s an unusual choice of dockyard for BF.  Pelican’s on her way there now, after being replaced on the Poole route by Connemara for the next few weeks.

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2 hours ago, Gareth said:

Yes, I just noticed that too.  That’s an unusual choice of dockyard for BF.  Pelican’s on her way there now, after being replaced on the Poole route by Connemara for the next few weeks.

It's not Brittany Ferries, it's Compagnie Maritime Nantaise. I was told yesterday that she would be going to Ferrol as Astander are booked up for quite a few weeks. MN Pelican didn't go to Astander last time either.

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