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The Future of Le Havre as a Ferry Port


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25 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

Very wise! 

Why, thank you! ;)

7 minutes ago, LHCity said:

To come back to the basic subject, I find this operation of a Cherbourg / Portsmouth / Le Havre route with the same ship astonishing (Like Townsend Thoresen). Could this scheme have a future with two boats, which would no doubt make it possible to offer 1 to 2 departures per direction from each port (Le Havre and Cherbourg)? Would BF consider the transfer of the Portsmouth-St Malo route to Poole? Sounds more direct, doesn't it?

Anything is possible if you had an unlimited supply of ships, staff and money*. Demand dictates otherwise.

 

* Just ask a Mr C Grayling

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2 minutes ago, Jim said:

Why, thank you! ;)

Anything is possible if you had an unlimited supply of ships, staff and money. Demand dictates otherwise.

This is already possible to do this with a single boat with 1 to 2 departures per day (including a night crossing)... 

A night crossing Portsmouth to Le Havre. A morning crossing Le Havre to Portsmouth - 1 round trip day Portsmouth <> Cherbourg before resuming a night crossing to Le Havre from Portsmouth...? Normandy (complemented by some E-Flexer crossings) would be perfect for this.

Would that mean closing Poole /Cherbourg to create a Poole / St Malo service ?

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24 minutes ago, LHCity said:

This is already possible to do this with a single boat with 1 to 2 departures per day (including a night crossing)... 

The point being that they've chosen not to do this...

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Personally I'd rather spend the day walking around Le Havre than I would Cherbourg, there's lots to see and visit. Don't dismiss the seafront or the beach but a wander into and through the town reveals striking modernist architecture, excellent museums and fine parks. If the ferry times were right I'm sure it would become a popular foot passenger destination.

The major obstacle seems to be than most travellers see ports as simply a means to an end, to get on and off the ferry in their car. I'd suggest finding a parking space, there's loads of them, have a look around then decide.

I don't think it's the greatest port France has to offer but it's certainly not the worst.

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17 minutes ago, Jim said:

The point being that they've chosen not to do this...

 

probably because at the moment it does not justify doing it because the traffic is very low ... But later ?

Something that has been logical to me for a long time is a route Cherbourg <> Portsmouth <> Le Havre and a route Cherbourg <> Rosslare <> Le Havre. It should be the structuring Transmanche axes of the West Channel with 2 to 3 departures per day on each route, but it would raise the question of the future of Ouistreham. BF is very conservative.

4 to 6 departures per day from Portsmouth to Cherbourg or Le Havre and 2 to 3 departures per day from Rosslare to Cherbourg or Le Havre. If this were the case there would be something to do between Ouistreham - Newhaven and Dieppe. Provided BF recovers Dieppe's operation.

It would space much better the routes - 200 kilometers between Cherbourg and Le Havre (for Portsmouth and Rosslare) and 200 kilometers between Ouistreham and Dieppe (for Newhaven)

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Confused by this talk of Newhaven having a new railway station. It's had one (actually three) adjacent to the port for 173 years and traffic patterns of passenger services haven't changed for a long while.

They have reopened some of the lines on the east quay but that's for aggregate being unloaded by dredgers. 

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11 minutes ago, David Williams said:

Here is the other set of le Havre containers https://en.normandie-tourisme.fr/discover/heritage-and-architecture/take-a-break-from-the-norm/the-catene-de-containers/

However a port with great pedestrian facilities with roadworks for 3 years outside the port to build a tramline does not seem a great place for a Roro lorry and vehicle ferry.

There are thoughts to group the ferry terminal with the cruise terminal which is planned for 2025-2030. Access would be facilitated via the main port roads, direct from the Normandy Bridge

it is true that access to the Transmanche terminal in Le Havre is becoming very urbanised. It has pros and cons. Is it worse than Ouistreham, where trucks cross residential streets?

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13 minutes ago, LHCity said:

There are thoughts to group the ferry terminal with the cruise terminal which is planned for 2025-2030. Access would be facilitated via the main port roads, direct from the Normandy Bridge

it is true that access to the Transmanche terminal in Le Havre is becoming very urbanised. It has pros and cons. Is it worse than Ouistreham, where trucks cross residential streets?

Better road access from the bridge to the ferry terminal would be great and trucks do not belong in the town of Ouistreham.

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46 minutes ago, LHCity said:
 

probably because at the moment it does not justify doing it because the traffic is very low ... But later ?

4 to 6 departures per day from Portsmouth to Cherbourg or Le Havre and 2 to 3 departures per day from Rosslare to Cherbourg or Le Havre. If this were the case there would be something to do between Ouistreham - Newhaven and Dieppe. Provided BF recovers Dieppe's operation.

... but where do you expect all the passengers and freight for all these sailings to magically appear from?

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6 hours ago, Jim said:

... but where do you expect all the passengers and freight for all these sailings to magically appear from?

Perhaps they are trapped inside all those containers the dockers keep stacking into weird shapes. If you've been wondering where those nosehair clippers you ordered from the 1995 Innovations catalogue went to, look no further. Ed 

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7 hours ago, David Williams said:

Here is the other set of le Havre containers https://en.normandie-tourisme.fr/discover/heritage-and-architecture/take-a-break-from-the-norm/the-catene-de-containers/

However a port with great pedestrian facilities with roadworks for 3 years outside the port to build a tramline does not seem a great place for a Roro lorry and vehicle ferry.

Most of us have probably been doing much the same with Lego or another building toy since we were about 4 years old. If we'd known we could get an EU grant for doing so, it would have made everything so much more fun. Ed. 

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I am a bit can of the communist quarter, history and street names. Friends live in the Rue de la Solidarité, between Rue du Travail and Rue de la Persevérance. They run off the Rue Maxim Gorky, then there is Salvador Allende, and a host of other heros...

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9 minutes ago, colin said:

I am a bit can of the communist quarter, history and street names. Friends live in the Rue de la Solidarité, between Rue du Travail and Rue de la Persevérance. They run off the Rue Maxim Gorky, then there is Salvador Allende, and a host of other heros...

Is that close to Rue de la grève ?

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13 hours ago, hhvferry said:

Confused by this talk of Newhaven having a new railway station. It's had one (actually three) adjacent to the port for 173 years and traffic patterns of passenger services haven't changed for a long while.

They have reopened some of the lines on the east quay but that's for aggregate being unloaded by dredgers. 

They're finally flattening what remains of the marine station and the whole harbour station area is being regenerated, been a mention that the old port authority building is going too. Talk is that S-M are paying to improve the hard standing next to the Town station and expanding over the to the other side.

In 2016 passenger number using the Newhaven station fell by about 100,000.

This could be a spanner in the works.

Within the motorhome industry it was said that The Trigano group wanted to expand their use of the port to import more Chausson motorhomes but lately the word is that now they're looking to exploit the new rail link from Sete to Calais instead as this would also make it far easier, cheaper and faster for them to export their Chausson van conversions which are built by Auto Trail in Grimsby.

It's the same for their Spanish Benimar brand. Trigano are now looking at the Bayonne-Cherbourg link. ADIF in Spain have improved the rail network along the Atlantic & Mediterranean corridors so now there are two high speed direct links from Algerciras to Irun & Hendaye, the one via Madrid is now faster which the builder based in Pensicola is looking to exploit together with the newly improved traditional crossing at Portbou which links Perpignan with Paris (Ringis) and again carries on to join at Sete to serve Calais.

 

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Seems to be a whiff of double standards in this topic: It's ok to have a dig at Le Havre but not the other (magical) BF ports.

Anyway, the solution is clear. Close Ouistreham and Le Havre and tow the linkspan over to Honfleur. I've had a measure on Google and I think Barfleur might scrape through the lock if she gets a shove from Old Dumpy. Of course, once the hulk of the half complete Honfleur is towed and sunk in her namesake port (just off Le Jardin des Personnalites looks a good spot), then even the more obese members of the fleet can dock there in a Do-Cal shuttle style service.  Baby, bathwater, anyone?

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3 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

But this would mean missing all the delights of both Le Havre and Seine Maritime. It's madness, I tell you. Ed. 

This route is perfect for boat lovers ... who obviously you are not

and as you seem to speak without knowing, you should know that the main access road to the cross-Channel terminal, only crosses the suburbs (like Portsmouth ;-))

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2 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

But this would mean missing all the delights of both Le Havre and Seine Maritime. It's madness, I tell you. Ed. 

Good view of all the laid up BF ships though.  They could offer spins round the inner harbour in NEX for those looking to kill time before the next sailing.  (Which might be quite a wait).

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