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If you look at the Rosslare-Bilbao timetables on the freight site (where proper timetables remain available to view), it will be seen that Connemara’s 2-night departure on Friday evenings departs Rosslare at 2301 (arriving in Spain at 0800 on Sunday morning.

For CF’s stint on the route coming up, this departure is listed as changed to 2300 (with an unchanged arrival time in Spain).

This is the case for the whole of CF’s stint, and then it reverts to 2301 when Connemara returns.  So important is this change of time that it has been deemed worthy of creating an extra row in the January and February timetables in order to accommodate it.

So....what’s this about?  Why is that 1-minute change in departure time so significant? (!)

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Just noticed - same is true for all the other sailings on the route too.  In all four cases, Connemara’s departure time is 1 minute later than CF’s corresponding departure time.

Odd.

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1 minute ago, Gareth said:

Just noticed - same is true for all the other sailings on the route too.  In all four cases, Connemara’s departure time is 1 minute later than CF’s corresponding departure time.

Odd.

They do that to allow them to differentiate sailings in the system whilst bookings are moved around. It is purely artificial

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23 hours ago, David Williams said:

They do that to allow them to differentiate sailings in the system whilst bookings are moved around. It is purely artificial

Thanks David.

But why would they do this specifically on this route?  There isn’t a similar differentiation between sailings, for example between Cotentin and Barfleur in the published Poole-Cherbourg times, or between Barfleur and Etretat in the published Portsmouth-Le Havre times.  Or, indeed, between MSM and Normandie in the standard Portsmouth-Ouistreham timings.

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24 minutes ago, Gareth said:

Thanks David.

But why would they do this specifically on this route?  There isn’t a similar differentiation between sailings, for example between Cotentin and Barfleur in the published Poole-Cherbourg times, or between Barfleur and Etretat in the published Portsmouth-Le Havre times.  Or, indeed, between MSM and Normandie in the standard Portsmouth-Ouistreham timings.

Dunno, it seems to come when they change something and only lasts for a while. i have seen the 1 minute on the Caen route before. Re your examples, these are extra sailings and did not replace an existing timetabled sailing.

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Away from BF, Medway Port Authority (Peel) add the extra minute for arrivals and departures up until it becomes a 'confirmed' time. From our pilotage point of view it helps a lot to easily identify when a job had 'firmed' up. Port of London do a similar thing, but in their case, they add an Asterix once it becomes firm. 

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37 minutes ago, David Williams said:

Dunno, it seems to come when they change something and only lasts for a while. i have seen the 1 minute on the Caen route before. Re your examples, these are extra sailings and did not replace an existing timetabled sailing.

No, Cotentin is operating exactly the same schedule at Poole as Barfleur will operate when she returns to the route in March.  And when Barfleur replaces Etretat for her short stint at Le Havre, she will be operating exactly the same schedule.  They are not extra sailings, they are the same sailings operated by a different ship.

Anyway, it doesn’t matter.  As you say, it’s academic and no doubt for internal administrative purposes.  But was just curious as to why bother, and why only on this route.  No big deal.

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The answer is actually very simple Gareth - They fire up Connemara's main engines at 23h00 but can only release her once the tannoy announcement has finished - at least 1 minute long and without hesitation, deviation or repetition .......

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On 15/01/2021 at 08:15, David Williams said:

They do that to allow them to differentiate sailings in the system whilst bookings are moved around. It is purely artificial

Exactly.

My experience of booking systems is that you do something like that to make transferring bookings between ships easier.  Even though it is the same commercial and operational sailing, system wise it is a new sailing.

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Normandie has an “offset” schedule on Portsmouth - Caen until the March schedules come in, but matching the previously later timetable. 15:15, not 14:45 ex-Portsmouth. But MSM on the normal schedule. 

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4 minutes ago, Ed said:

Normandie has an “offset” schedule on Portsmouth - Caen until the March schedules come in, but matching the previously later timetable. 15:15, not 14:45 ex-Portsmouth. But MSM on the normal schedule. 

Slightly different issue in that Normandie is running in freight-only mode at the moment so her timings are adjusted to suit that role.  She returns (at least on current plan) to carrying passengers in March.

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