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37 minutes ago, Solo said:

There already are passenger services with IF and BF's seasonal service, would there be a market for others to try?

We are talking about a port much further east.

Fundamentally I agree with Jonno above, but wilder ideas take root here ....

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1 hour ago, colin said:

We are talking about a port much further east.

But would passengers want to spend the extra time on the ferry, unless they were going further east.  If they are going south it's get off at Cherbourg and hit the road.

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1 hour ago, Solo said:

But would passengers want to spend the extra time on the ferry, unless they were going further east.  If they are going south it's get off at Cherbourg and hit the road.

Exactly, the only clientele to consider are, as I said above, those going to, or coming from Germany, Holland, Belgium ... Not saying that makes the idea viable, but there may be some takers?

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On 04/05/2021 at 13:53, jonno said:

If passengers are prepared to pay about €1000 return and suitable tonnage can be found then maybe. For me, no. This is about freight, nothing more, nothing less and I wouldn't be surprised to see DFDS switch to a couple of Ro/Ro's instead of the passenger ships they currently charter.

€1000 return is less than what BF and IF charge for a car in peak season.

Rosslare Harbour seems convinced DFDS will offer a passenger service one day. Germany/Belgium/Netherlands is also a pretty big market, while you usually see quite a number of central and eastern European car registration plates on Ireland-France ferries (where Dunkerque would again be 4-5 hours less driving than Cherbourg).

Will people pay a price premium for a longer crossing but slightly shorter drive is the real question. 

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32 minutes ago, lg12 said:

Will people pay a price premium for a longer crossing but slightly shorter drive is the real question. 

The BF success story to Spain would point to the answer to that being yes, provided that (a) the crossing does not exceed 24 hours and (b) they travel in a ship worth spending 24 hours on.

From an operator point of view, the latter depends on there being a sufficient volume of custom to make providing such a ship worthwhile.  So the question boils down to, is there enough demand for an Eire - Belgium (give or take) route to justify providing a crossing experience that customers will consider it worth paying for.

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54 minutes ago, lg12 said:

Rosslare Harbour seems convinced DFDS will offer a passenger service one day.

If it was Stena or Irish Ferries I'd agree but not DFDS.

They carried 400,000 passengers a year to Bergen, the cities biggest tourism market and the route also put over £10 million into the economy of the North East.

That's 400,000 using one ship.

It didn't stop them culling the route, putting 350 people out of work because they made more money sailing Ro/Ro's from Immingham... a service which they've also stopped selling the limited pax space on.

DFDS used to sail to nine ports from Newcastle, now it's one.

They'll probably run the two Peter Pans serving Holland into the ground then pull out completely now they can't get their hands on the more freight friendly Moby sisters. They'll blame financial losses for that aswell. 

Harwich - Esbjerg? DFDS even built extra passenger space on Serena Seaways such was the routes popularity, but guess what, it cut down on freight so that route had to go too and now the freight sails north from Immingham.

DFDS don't give a crap about passengers, they're only interested in cramming the vehicle decks with HGV's.

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10 minutes ago, jonno said:

Si c'était Stena ou Irish Ferries, je serais d'accord mais pas DFDS.

Ils ont transporté 400 000 passagers par an à Bergen, le plus grand marché touristique de la ville et la route a également investi plus de 10 millions de livres sterling dans l'économie du Nord-Est.

C'est 400 000 sur un seul navire.

Cela ne les a pas empêchés d'abandonner l'itinéraire, mettant 350 personnes au chômage parce qu'ils gagnaient plus d'argent en naviguant en Ro / Ro depuis Immingham ... un service sur lequel ils ont également cessé de vendre l'espace limité pour les personnes.

DFDS avait l'habitude de naviguer vers neuf ports de Newcastle, maintenant c'est un.

Ils vont probablement faire tomber les deux Peter Pans servant la Hollande dans le sol, puis se retirer complètement maintenant qu'ils ne peuvent pas mettre la main sur les sœurs Moby les plus amicales du fret. Ils blâmeront également les pertes financières pour cela. 

Harwich - Esbjerg? DFDS a même construit un espace supplémentaire pour les passagers sur Serena Seaways, telle était la popularité des routes, mais devinez quoi, il a réduit le fret de sorte que cet itinéraire devait aussi aller et maintenant le fret navigue au nord d'Immingham.

DFDS ne se soucie pas des passagers, ils sont seulement intéressés à bourrer les ponts des véhicules avec des poids lourds.

DFDS will launch a passenger service on Dunkerque Rosslare but for the moment with the Covid this is not possible

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