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Few pics of Armorique arriving in Rosslare from Rosslare Europort twitter

I think we can safely say it is news if the President of the company has announced it   It looks like the President of the Brittany region jumped the gun a bit and then Jean-Marc Roue joined in.

My children also help to keep the Bay of St. Malo free of sand by putting as much of it as possible in the car every time we visit Normandy. Ed

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41 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

I really hope they offer passenger spaces soon too as I rather fancy a couple of days in Cork in June. 

Ed

You looking at doing some shopping at the English Market ! 

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30 minutes ago, Fine Whine said:

 I repeat my comment that not everything Jean-Marc Roués tweets actually happens

He definitely has an interesting role in BF - part PR & part political lobbying. Some of his comments have been to put political pressure on the Government. Some of the newspaper interviews definitely show what is being thought about, however some of the fine details have not been accurate (or have  changed subsequently).

I am not sure how much time he has for farming !

 

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27 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

I read that you can buy cheddar cheese in Cork. What's your motivation? ūüėČ

Ed

LOL. When I was a kid cheddar was the only cheese and I hated it. 

I'm just missing getting outside of my 5km and seeing the sea. If we didn't have lockdown I'd have a made a trip down to Rosslare to have a look at all the activity. Even Ringaskiddy is outside my 5km. 

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It's all a bit like the previous 'exclusive' isn't it?

BF were returning Connemara as her sailings from Cork to Santander weren't cost effective? 

Whilst this was true, it wasn't really accurate, it was only half the story. The plan, as we all know, was to relocate to Rosslare and sail to Bilbao.

Although I totally understand the desire to have a ship sailing to Brittany from Ireland earlier than planned, there are a couple of question marks for me.

BF haven't sailed from Cork to St Malo for 27 years. The route was killed off in a similar way as the Poole -St Malo service was 2 years later. I think the last company to offer any type of sailing was Swansea- Cork Ferries back in the summer of 1999.

It's a bit like saying P&O are resuming their Southampton to Lisbon service.

Apparently BF rely on Armorique for their freight sailings from Cork to Roscoff & St Malo hence the reason why they are resuming sailings two months ahead of schedule...That's not true, is it? Armorique has never had a full Cork timetable before... 2021 will be the first year she's offering a 4 times a week service.

Armorique is due to begin the sailings from Roscoff to Cork in March (23rd). I have a feeling that it is this service, if any, which will be resumed earlier in February.

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10 minutes ago, jonno said:

 

Armorique is due to begin the sailings from Roscoff to Cork in March (23rd). I have a feeling that it is this service, if any, which will be resumed earlier in February.

Some good points in your post Jonno. Armorique was only meant to be once weekly Roscoff - Cork (in addition to the once weekly PA service)

In terms of Roscoff-Cork resuming earlier, I think that is exactly what is said in the opening post (with the potential additional St Malo service).

It will be interesting to see if anything further gets released today or this week.

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3 hours ago, Gareth said:

Well, I‚Äôm not sure that either of those counts as an ‚Äúannouncement from Brittany Ferries‚ÄĚ. ¬†BF announces things in the form of their own press releases.

I think we can safely say it is news if the President of the company has announced it :) 

It looks like the President of the Brittany region jumped the gun a bit and then Jean-Marc Roue joined in.

The problem with the previous Le Havre - Rosslare thread was that what was a fact was that JMR said BF was looking at it, not that it was definitely happening.  If he said they were looking at it, I'm sure they were, but instead went for the Rosslare - Cherbourg early start instead.

This Roscoff and Saint Malo idea seems to have happened since then.  Let's not forget the rivalry between Normandy and Brittany.  Brittany has no ferries at present and Normandy has Cherbourg experiencing a boom, Brittany is no doubt keen to get in on this as well as providing a direct Irish link to Brittany business.  (Even though same business could easily use Cherbourg :-p) 

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There is always pressure in Roscoff and St Malo. In terms of passengers and freight the numbers have been in decline for years. Le Echo's mentions 500,000 pax at Roscoff... Eh? They've not enjoyed anywhere near that for over a decade. Both Roscoff & St Malo see around 650,000 between them.

We then have the fact... not fiction, that Roscoff shuts for the winter as basically Plymouth does too. In terms of freight, Connemara can haul more than Armorique & Bretagne combined and as for Pont Aven and all of her 3500 lane metres you'd be lucky to squeeze 80 trucks on her.

 

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2 hours ago, lg12 said:

An article (in French) from a decent newspaper presenting the context on why there might be some pressure in St Malo and Roscoff to open some new services:

https://www.lesechos.fr/pme-regions/bretagne/brexit-et-covid-saint-malo-et-roscoff-en-cale-seche-1280922

 

 

Yes, I wondered if the choice of ports might have more to do with Breton  politics than commercial need.  Especially as the Brittany ports are all closed down at the moment and the previous attempts at running Cork-St Malo did not last long.  Really, Le Havre would make more commercial sense - I wonder if the previous thoughts about running to Le Havre fell precisely because of the internal politics.

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The port of Roscoff has received¬†‚ā¨6.7 million of investment to specifically cater for increased freight volumes with the¬†checks and paperwork that involves. Monsieur Rou√© would have had some serious questions to answer if he suddenly announced boosting capacity at Normandy ports while doing tiddly squat in his own back yard.....

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Yohann Nédélec is a BF employee along with having some political roles in Brest (Deputy Mayor). 

That might explain why JM Roue was talking about Ireland-Roscoff/St Malo and not Cork-Roscoff/St Malo. 

I am sure there is a good reason, but I would have though capturing some of the Cork / Munster market might have been more useful than going into a very crowded Rosslare. 


 

 

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9 minutes ago, Gareth said:

Indeed.  Is Roscoff where the hauliers want to go?

That all depends where they are heading but there are still good freight numbers heading down to Spain and as I mentioned earlier the shellfish boys to Brittany....

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1 minute ago, Fine Whine said:

That all depends where they are heading but there are still good freight numbers heading down to Spain and as I mentioned earlier the shellfish boys to Brittany....

Indeed. And the Breton veggies to Ireland...

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Cork - Roscoff last October had about 25 trucks on a crossing I was on. Probably not more than 10 in the other direction. Of course few cars too (COVID).

I can’t imagine there is huge natural freight demand between Brittany and Ireland. Now Brexit may change that and supply chains may shift a little (see the story in today Irish media about flour) but most stories you read about hauliers mention destinations in the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium etc. Roscoff is absolutely useless there (a good 1000km). 

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6 hours ago, Fine Whine said:

Regarding shellfish I know of Scottish boats now landing their catch in Northern Ireland, maybe even at Irish Ports, to allow them to be exported directly into Europe. I’ve seen quite a few pass through Cherbourg recently and most are heading to ports like Lorient and Quiberon for either processing or distribution.

Has there been some sort of a arrangement made ! the whole of Ireland is in the EU customs zone and the Scottish boats and their catch would be treated as a third country with all the paper work involved just like at the ports on the Continent with goods coming from  GB .

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With these additional routes, I see less and less the possibility of this LH-Rosslare supposition ... it would give four routes from France to Ireland for BF, can’t see the logic if it happens. 
Looking forward to see if effectively a part of the Spain-Ireland traffic uses the new links 

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2 hours ago, Chef said:

Has there been some sort of a arrangement made ! the whole of Ireland is in the EU customs zone and the Scottish boats and their catch would be treated as a third country with all the paper work involved just like at the ports on the Continent with goods coming from  GB .

I don't think that it has happened yet, however it is really easy for a Scottish Boat to re register in Northern Ireland and thus able to land their catch within the zone ! 

I did see some articles saying that may well happen.

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2 hours ago, CH1 said:

With these additional routes, I see less and less the possibility of this LH-Rosslare supposition ... it would give four routes from France to Ireland for BF, can’t see the logic if it happens. 
Looking forward to see if effectively a part of the Spain-Ireland traffic uses the new links 

Roscoff isn't any closer to Spain than Cherbourg or Calais/Dunkirk. 

Example of Barcelona: Roscoff (1300km), Cherbourg (1325km), Dunkirk (1330km),

 

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1 minute ago, lg12 said:

Roscoff isn't any closer to Spain than Cherbourg or Calais/Dunkirk. 

Example of Barcelona: Roscoff (1300km), Cherbourg (1325km), Dunkirk (1330km),

 

And Spain traffic now has a direct service twice a week.

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4 hours ago, lg12 said:

Yohann Nédélec is a BF employee along with having some political roles in Brest (Deputy Mayor). 

That might explain why JM Roue was talking about Ireland-Roscoff/St Malo and not Cork-Roscoff/St Malo. 

I am sure there is a good reason, but I would have though capturing some of the Cork / Munster market might have been more useful than going into a very crowded Rosslare. 


 

 

Rosslare for me seems more realistic, the port has always been Irelands sleeping giant. Road links are improving yet again, a lot more hard standing in the pipeline, longer and improved berths plus the final phase will include a new terminal.

Not to mention that an E-Flexer can serve both Cherbourg & Roscoff from Rosslare... Santóna?

A new focal point for both accompanied freight and passenger services in Ireland which will ultimately relieve pressure on a gridlocked, some say deadlocked, Dublin whilst Cork expands, specialises and greatly improves Ireland's global unaccompanied freight needs.

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