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1 hour ago, IanN said:

The government needs to give them clear direction along with the rest of the leisure industry. If Easter is off limits then say so and take the flack that this will cause. Good luck to keeping lockdown in place past this date anyway.

  

  

Which Country ?

  • Spain and France currently ban us from leisure travel & that won't change until well after the rates come down - we are a third Country.
  • We have circulating versions of the virus that Europe would rather not have more of.
  • The UK currently bans us from leaving the Country
  • If we manage to legally leave the UK we need 1 test before travel and 2 after arrival on return

The BF ships are planned to restart normal passenger travel in 6 weeks

What are the odds of them really restarting ?

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Hong Kong has had the benefit of dealing with SARS which at the time they treated as an atypical pneumonia. It killed 10% of the population of Amoy Gardens after it nearly wiped out the Prince of Wale

Loose talk! We will never get to the situation where 'everybody has been vaccinated' as people cannot be compelled to have it and making it compulsory simply isn't on the cards. I get really fed

It's not COVID per se that's causing the problem but the uncertainty. I'm afraid the only option is for all those companies in the tourist industry to band together and put pressure on those gove

We would all love to be given "a clear direction" about what will happen when, but we are barking if we, for a moment think that a responsible government should stick pins in calendars. How many unexpected ups and downs have we already seen with this virus? Do we think there are no more to come?

We need to balance the economic and social impacts of measures taken, with the risks to health. Glad I am not making those calls! Even the real world effectiveness of each vaccine is yet to be properly proven, so yet another variable.

We can speculate, get frustrated, sway one way or the other, but no one is enjoying this, and the world's best brains are unable to provide the "clear direction" we seek, so I doubt that our thoughts on the subject are that valuable, sadly.

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9 hours ago, colin said:

We would all love to be given "a clear direction" about what will happen when, but we are barking if we, for a moment think that a responsible government should stick pins in calendars. How many unexpected ups and downs have we already seen with this virus? Do we think there are no more to come?

We need to balance the economic and social impacts of measures taken, with the risks to health. Glad I am not making those calls! Even the real world effectiveness of each vaccine is yet to be properly proven, so yet another variable.

We can speculate, get frustrated, sway one way or the other, but no one is enjoying this, and the world's best brains are unable to provide the "clear direction" we seek, so I doubt that our thoughts on the subject are that valuable, sadly.

Unfortunately the worlds best brains usually disagree with each other as a matter of principle.

The point I was trying to make is if Easter is cancelled say so now so all concerned can plan. If Spain or any other country says you are welcome to come then becomes irrelevant as our government says no holidays at Easter full stop. This to include UK hotels and tourist attractions as well 

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11 hours ago, colinschandler said:

Surely and sadly how can anybody accurately predict the progress of this dreadful disease which claimed the life of  a close member of my family 10 days ago.

People talk about the problems  it is causing the leisure industry but let us not forget the it was the leisure industry that was one the causes of the early rise in infections with a party returning from an Italian ski holiday a year ago.

We should keep our borders secure, even if not closed, until such time as the spread of infections is a fraction of what it is today. Or do we subscribe to the concept that the future of the ferry companies,  airlines, hotels, pubs and restaurants is more important than the health of our nation and the education of our children?  The future of our schools and the NHS are far more important than commercial/corporate profit much of which will go to out of UK companies.

My uncle's funeral is on Monday died of Corona Virus but he had had heart problems for the last 25 years, Dad is currently in hospital not with the virus but at ninety its worrying so I am effected as well.

Yes keep the borders secure keep the pubs clubs, gym's hairdressers closed don't forget schools as well and get the virus down but when we re-open what will happen? Obviously no one knows for sure but I guess it will take hold again as if the current vaccines do not work against the latest strain then it will take off again while we wait another six months for a new vaccine. Unfortunately Pandora's box is open and we will have to learn to live with it.

I am not the slightest bothered about the profits of any of the companies but I am about their workers and the future of their children. This is a no win situation and people have widely differing views no one really has the answers    

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22 minutes ago, IanN said:

The point I was trying to make is if Easter is cancelled say so now so all concerned can plan

Which is what I said at the top of this thread.

Provide some visibility for the industry. If they can't plan ahead and you then open the country back up it's impossible  for companies to reactivate cruise ships and ferries just like that. 

You need to have a rolling 3-month announcement. So on the first of March you say what will be allowed in June and then stick to that. Another update on the first of April for July and so on. If you do that you only get people booking one month at a time but at least they can be sure there will be no last-minute changes.

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The vaccination programme in the U.K. is on schedule, if it continues at the same pace we'll have offered a jab to around 45m people by the end of May which is far more than the 70% population target. At this time the Moderna vaccine will also be available.

I think then, and only then, will we begin to see a staged removal of national restrictions. I'm confident that we'll have a U.K. summer and the level of 'staycation' bookings so far also seem to reflect this. Ok, I'm looking at quality U.K. campsites in particular... many of which are even now fully booked from late May but, U.K. cottage & boating holiday bookings are very healthy too.

I've accepted that our Galicia trip in May is off, I'm just waiting for BF to cancel the sailing and offer me yet another voucher.

Like it or not and for whatever reason which has been rehashed ad nauseum, the rest of Europe have a long, long way to go to even match the speed at which the U.K. was offering jabs in January. (It's the way the EU do things, simple as that. Deal with it, learn to live with the disappointment and move on.)

 For me this means all bets are off until Q4 of 2021, no one will be heading to France, Spain or anywhere else until September.

... As for hindsight and how HMG could have or should have done this, that or the other, I don't go in for the blame game, life's too short, and because as is usually the case, everyone else seems to have a better solution although we all know that every job is easy when you're sitting in the cheap seats and you don't actually have to make a decision.

 

 

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3 hours ago, IanN said:

Dad is currently in hospital

Not at all relevant to BFE but just heard he is let out today. The silly old sod broke his hip in Morrisons last Wednesday. It turns out on the Monday he had been up on the kitchen roof looking for a leak what can you do? Offered to be there when he gets home we can manage was the answer. Any body else got parents in their late eighties / nineties who refuse any sort of help

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16 hours ago, Paully said:

There are those who suggest we lockdown until the virus is zero...

They are the ones I save my utter contempt for..they understand nothing..sadly they walk among us

They walk across the whole of Australia and NZ (they also get to go to the pub)...

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3 hours ago, jonno said:

As for hindsight and how HMG could have or should have done this, that or the other, I don't go in for the blame game, life's too short, and because as is usually the case, everyone else seems to have a better solution although we all know that every job is easy when you're sitting in the cheap seats and you don't actually have to make a decision.

Ca depend.

Tricky decisions at difficult times are one thing, incompetence and possible corruption are another. I think the latter need looking at in detail, in the interests of removing those responsible and reducing future incidence

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2 hours ago, IanN said:

Any body else got parents in their late eighties / nineties who refuse any sort of help

Mother in law in late 70's is a bit like this. Still very active but forever climbing ladders or shifting very heavy items when there really is no need.

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2 hours ago, IanN said:

Not at all relevant to BFE but just heard he is let out today. The silly old sod broke his hip in Morrisons last Wednesday. It turns out on the Monday he had been up on the kitchen roof looking for a leak what can you do? Offered to be there when he gets home we can manage was the answer. Any body else got parents in their late eighties / nineties who refuse any sort of help

I have a mother like that.  She had a stroke a few years ago and wanted to go home despite not being well enough to.  She was as stubborn and difficult as you like till she was allowed to go home.  My aunt gave her a rollicking, but Mum enjoys being difficult.  She does with me.  She won’t have to jab because of the “politics” about it all.  Nearly 80 she is for goodness sake, I just let her get on with it and concentrate on my own life!!!

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Without any comment, pro or con, here is the First Minister of Scotland's statement about holidays today.

"Right now, today, I would say to people not to book foreign holidays, and I would say just be cautious about booking holidays even domestically. If you want to take the chance that it will be okay, that’s not for me to decide for you.

But I can’t give you 100% guarantee that by the time we get to the date things will be okay … if you want to err on side of caution then hold off a little bit."

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6 hours ago, jonno said:

The vaccination programme in the U.K. is on schedule, if it continues at the same pace we'll have offered a jab to around 45m people by the end of May which is far more than the 70% population target. At this time the Moderna vaccine will also be available.

By end of June all the vulnerable bands should have had their second dose plus a 2 week allowance to have an effect. At current rates of new vaccinations (no capacity taken for round 2) 70% will be hit at start of April, so mid July 70% should have had second dose etc.

The rate is expected to slow down once we get into the still working population 50+ bands. There are signs of take up rates already reducing in the newer active band groups as the vaccination rate has flattened over the past few days in England and Northern Ireland.

The vaccination rate is also going to slow down as we get to the unbanded younger, not living in fear of their lives, demographics. Mid July therefore is a reasonable optimistic time. Realistic aim is for the end of August for school return etc.

The number or amount of vaccine now is not the issue, it is getting it into people and at what point shackles will be lifted.

6 hours ago, jonno said:

 For me this means all bets are off until Q4 of 2021, no one will be heading to France, Spain or anywhere else until September.

A quick estimate if France up their vaccination rate today to match the UK's vaccination rate they will be 70% by end of  August. The probability of this is slim but doable. Same calculation for Spain (who are one of the leading EU nations for vaccination rate) could be end of July if they moved today to same rate as UK.

Since we know this is not the case then September and the start of Q4 2021 would seem optimistic.

7 hours ago, jonno said:

As for hindsight and how HMG could have or should have done this, that or the other, I don't go in for the blame game, life's too short, and because as is usually the case, everyone else seems to have a better solution although we all know that every job is easy when you're sitting in the cheap seats and you don't actually have to make a decision.

No blame should be apportioned necessarily but there are many many lessons to be learned by reviewing everything from the unpreparedness for an event that was going to happen to dumping older infected hospitalised people into care homes to vaccine production. Unfortunately the full story will take time to emerge.

Without talking about it sensibly then there will be no progress.

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We've made enquiries about our summer holidays - typically booked through an agent but includes ferry travel.

So far, the agent hasn't negotiated terms with ferry companies about how refunds would be handled if we were to cancel under a scenario where government advice allowed travel. As this is what happened last year when we cancelled due to the rumours of quarantine rules for people returning from France, we have delayed booking for now.   

I think I'd rather not book than get into vouchers that will run to the best part of £1000. Last year, we (grumpily on my part) holiday'd in the UK using off the beaten path campsites, which is kind of our thing in the UK anyway. I can well see the same thing happening this year.

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No real experience of UK hotels during the pandemic but they will struggle to beat the Parador's in Spain based on our experience in September. 

Receptionists behind screens, Pens for signing in disinfected before passing to us, Passports sterilised before returning to us. All meals in time slots to limit social contact, Hand sanitiser outside lifts, inside lifts, on stairways and in all rooms. Escorted to the terrace by bar staff to table which was sterilised before we could sit chairs also sterilised, reminded once or twice about hand sterilising. Masks worn at all times by Staff and guests. Bars in town were similar (we were in small town Spain so cannot comment on the larger cities)

CF was very poor in comparison.

Not sure if UK hotels will match the Parador's. The wife is not that keen to try them and our camping and caravan days are long past. 

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The recent CEO message has a few interesting comments https://www.brittany-ferries.co.uk/information/coronavirus/ceo-message

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I know that many of you look to us for absolute clarity on what will happen with your much needed and well-deserved travel plans later this year. Sadly, there is little concrete advice we can give with respect to what will or will not be permitted. Nor when we can expect the fog to clear.

 

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We’ve certainly got a challenging spring ahead of us as the ramifications of lockdowns and travel restrictions keep passenger numbers low, but the summer looks much more positive.

Seem to have accepted Spring will be bad - let's us see what they do at Easter

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Many requests for 2022 sailings are also coming in, and we are doing what we can to get more sailings on sale for next year.

Note sure what more  sailings means,  they have previously said that they will be on sale earlier

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19 hours ago, VikingVoyager said:

They walk across the whole of Australia and NZ (they also get to go to the pub)

Not in Melbourne. The virus has escaped quarantine which is inevitable. It will always find away. Solution as always lockdown. 

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28 minutes ago, IanN said:

Not in Melbourne. The virus has escaped quarantine which is inevitable. It will always find away. Solution as always lockdown. 

It has escaped and is being locked down again with a, for now, 5 day circuit breaker. 

I agree that it's fair to say that this will keep happening, at least until the rest of the world follows suit.

On the other hand, I know which country I'd rather be in at the moment and I certainly would not treat the approach with contempt or judge it as idiotic,  

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Yes, I'm a cricket fan and was listening to Australian radio coverage of their games against India last month.  You get Australian news, and the fact that single digit infections were the top story was rather refreshing,  when we were experiencing record breaking numbers at the same time. That and the fact that some fans were allowed into the stadiums brought some comfort and light into a dark situation. The Aussies and Kiwis have been showing it is possible to come out of this. 

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1 hour ago, VikingVoyager said:

It has escaped and is being locked down again with a, for now, 5 day circuit breaker. 

I agree that it's fair to say that this will keep happening, at least until the rest of the world follows suit.

On the other hand, I know which country I'd rather be in at the moment and I certainly would not treat the approach with contempt or judge it as idiotic,  

Where did I treat it with contempt or call it idiotic. I just believe that to keep locking down will not solve the problem just keep pushing it out into the future at some point we will need to accept it is there and learn to live with it. Currently I think the majority of the people support lockdown but that will change and when it does then the policy becomes unenforceable. So another option is required as I and probably many others do not want to spend the rest of their lives with the threat of lockdown hanging over them specially if they see themselves as low risk

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