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10 minutes ago, jonno said:

Could the plan be to shake U.K. confidence in the drug so our vaccination program is slowed?

I get the impression that there is a personal antagonism, against this company, by some people. As has been said above, by Shipping Forecast, "Vaccine Politics, the pinnacle of achievement for our worthy leaders"...Indeed

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24 minutes ago, IanN said:

Agreed but within the EU main players they do seem to act a bit like Sheep. How many will die because the Vaccine is delayed / not used compared to the number from a clot which may or not be caused by the vaccine.  

Denmark followed by Ireland were the first EU countries to 'pause' the AZ vaccine , hardly main players in EU circles , this is managing a situation before the anti vaxers capitalise on the situation and try to turn things on its head. I would expect that the pause button will be reset as soon as public confidence is satisfactory to continue . Here in Ireland the disruption to the vaccine roll out is minimum due to  Pfizer making up 70% of vaccines, AZ 15% and Moderna 10% . So as I said, it's all about managing a situation .

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4 minutes ago, Chef said:

Denmark followed by Ireland were the first EU countries to 'pause' the AZ vaccine , hardly main players in EU circles , this is managing a situation before the anti vaxers capitalise on the situation and try to turn things on its head. I would expect that the pause button will be reset as soon as public confidence is satisfactory to continue . Here in Ireland the disruption to the vaccine roll out is minimum due to  Pfizer making up 70% of vaccines, AZ 15% and Moderna 10% . So as I said, it's all about managing a situation .

Funny that, one of your fellow countrymen, in a previous post 12 hours ago, had a diametrically different view to you of whats happening in Ireland..Still I suppose twill all come out eventually.

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6 minutes ago, Paully said:

Funny that, one of your fellow countrymen, in a previous post 12 hours ago, had a diametrically different view to you of whats happening in Ireland..Still I suppose twill all come out eventually.

The same one who posted that the entire population of a small village in Kerry( population 200) received their vaccinations due to being over supplied, when in fact it was just all the over 70s in the village along with the over 80s who were scheduled that day , around 40 people in total . As the newspaper editor said to a reporter , don't let the facts get in the way of a good story .

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16 minutes ago, David Williams said:

It is good news that Portugal is coming off the UK red list.

A positive sign for when travel restarts.

Yes there is light at the end of the tunnel and the covid rate is dropping,yet what bothers me is when everything is open and everyone is mingling outside and in bars etc.what will happen to the covid rates?fingers crossed the rates will not go through the roof and there is only a slight rise in rates.if not is it back to square one?stay safe

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22 hours ago, cvabishop said:

And I don't think AZ made wild promises when you actually lok at the facts rather than the rumours on social media.

Sorry, but whilst avoiding any political argument, it is fact that 90 million doses were to be delivered in the 1st quarter 2021, upped to 100 million a little later. AZ announced problems in the Belgian plant would cause a fall to a bit over 40 million doses, and have since said it will only be 30 million. Documented fact, not rumours on social media. Likewise, the "problems" in Belgium have been publicly refuted by the operators of the plant. I am not trying to promote one "side" or even opinion, and would appreciate a little more balance.

My last comment on this. I have had the 1st dose, and will happily have the 2nd, so long as no genuine and serious problem is properly identified.

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AZ have certainly fallen short on their delivery assurances (as have Pfizer). But the EU don't seem to have been using all the deliveries they have received anyway. It all seems to have become politicised and individual politician's reputations (EU and national) are now in question over the comments they have been making. The clots issue issue seems to be employed as something of a smokescreen. The medical people must be tearing their hair out!

Basically the EU's handling of the whole affair from their inadequate contractual arrangements (to save money) and their shortcomings in the vaccine roll out have been a cock up and the politicians are all scrambling to cover their backsides just as in the UK our Government is attempting to use the success of the vaccination programe to divert attention from some really bad decisions made during 2020 which led to a lot of unnecessary deaths. OK, they did what they thought was best at the time but Johnson in particular displayed his usual procrastination and lack of judgement in the face of advice and will still need to be held to account just as will Ursula von der Leyen for her own misjudgements.

Things might have gone better had we had  politicians of better calibre overseeing the crisis but both in the UK and in the EU we seem to have been saddled with the B team at best.

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The EU has not approved Indian production yet, it also has not approved the manufacturing facility for the vaccine in the Netherlands either. AZ are expecting Netherlands approval though by the end of March. Both plants are waiting. But when production is started, after the fuss made will AZ be used or left on the shelf?

In addition the EU was told by the US it should not expect any AZ vaccine manufactured in the US to be exported to the EU. However this seems slightly flawed as AZ cannot manufacturer the vaccine in the US as the vaccine itself has not been approved by the FDA. Vaccine politics elsewhere having unfortunate consequences for the EU as well.

In other news the J&J vaccine is 'facing supply issues' which means the deliveries are likely to be under the expected number. This is further complicated as apparently the EU made J&J vaccine can only be bottled in the US due to contract conditions. EU staff have expressed concern about J&J production too.

While I appreciate that due diligence is required, the UK and EU approvals teams where made up mostly of the same people before the split with the EMA was based in London. They are working to the same basic standards as per agreement. So in this situation surely if the UK signs off it would not be beyond the EU team to ask for help and sharing results, or vice versa, to speed the process up for the benefit of all?

However the EU unfortunately seems determined to compound their issues, losing sight that the purpose is the protection of their population, not the administration process or playing politics. Sadly, maybe those viewing from afar earlier today were right after all.

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Why doesn't anyone comment on why Pfizer have failed to supply the EU with the doses they promised because it was manufactured incorrectly - the mRNA levels were too low?

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1 hour ago, jonno said:

Why doesn't anyone comment on why Pfizer have failed to supply the EU with the doses they promised because it was manufactured incorrectly - the mRNA levels were too low?

Maybe because "mRNA levels being too low" makes a lousy headline. Any journalist of a mainstream media outlet that dared cover a topic in this depth would probably get a rap on their knuckles from their editor. 

Newspapers now want nice click-bait headlines and they won't let scientific minutiae get in the way....

As a result, headlines like "Vaccine for Christmas" or "No, EU can't have our Jabs" are printed (The Daily Mail). Even scientific editors of the better mainstream titles will avoid covering a topic in too much depth. News has now been truly McDonalised...

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Apparently the health authorities in Brittany have identified another new strain of the virus. They are trying to work out if it is able to be picked up by the usual PCR tests or if it has found a way to avoid detection. Basically they have found a French strain which doesn't want to work or follow the rules (generally defined as being on strike). It was only a matter of time!

Ed

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A new vaccination centre was due to open here in Angers this morning to give doses to healthcare workers outside the hospital system (district nurses, home-helps etc). The AZ vaccine was earmarked for distribution but that has obviously been suspended. Apparently, rather than cancel all the appointments, the authorities instead delivered an equivalent stock of Moderna vaccines. There is no indication where they found them but, unless they are reserved second doses, then there is clearly something odd going on. 

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As a lifelong BF fan and regular user of their services, we must never forget that in the main it is not the French who patronise BF ferries but the Brits (including Daily Mail readers!). The success of the UK's vaccination programme is therefore great news for BF as they will shortly find that we individualistic island dwellers will once again want to travel abroad in our masses. It is quite understandable that foreign governments are keen to undermine the efficacy of our vaccination programme as they need to manage domestic dissent.  However,long after French government aid has dried up for BF, it will be we Brits who save the sinking ship and keep French seamen in their jobs. We in return can then get back to enjoying the stylish gallic experience we so miss on other forms of travel.

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Well then, thank you Brittany Ferries for being so charitable in providing a service between Ireland and France for the past 43 years for all the Irish, French, Dutch, German  and Belgian visitors .

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Some sickening accusations coming out of Russia:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56412074

"A tremendous vaccine scandal: Britain's AstraZeneca is killing people across the world," claimed the presenter of 60 Minut, a talk show on Russia's most popular TV station Rossiya 1.

"Thank God no-one in Russia has been vaccinated with it,"

Some people are ignorant, others are simply evil.

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Good news in the UK with rates continuing to fall and now vaccinations are open to those 50 and over. The rates in Spain and Portugal are also falling nicely, the main concern seems to be France still, I don’t understand why there is not a strong lockdown there.

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2 hours ago, IanN said:

At least from BF's point of view its keeping us off discussing pricing. Spain at the beginning of September is now eye watering and crossings seem about full 

But that is the pricing model of most transport operators, the last tickets are usually the most expensive.

September may well be a good month for travel.

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1 hour ago, David Williams said:

But that is the pricing model of most transport operators, the last tickets are usually the most expensive.

September may well be a good month for travel.

The thing is at the moment most of us with Campers or Motorhomes are looking at September is the safest bet at the moment.

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5 hours ago, David Williams said:

I don’t understand why there is not a strong lockdown there.

Partly because anything Macron does from now on directly affects his chances of winning or losing next year's election. 

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