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5 minutes ago, Le Quiberon said:

Is this assuming that only vaccinated people can travel?

I think that might be the case. The question of making it compulsory here in France is in the press right now. Of course whether it's actually compulsory (in terms of the legal wording used) or not remains to be seen but if they restrict your freedom due to refusal then you won't have much choice.

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30 minutes ago, Cabin-boy said:

I think that might be the case. The question of making it compulsory here in France is in the press right now. Of course whether it's actually compulsory (in terms of the legal wording used) or not remains to be seen but if they restrict your freedom due to refusal then you won't have much choice.

Ed

Interesting......I think some countries in Europe will allow non-vaccinated with a false test. Such as Estonia and Greece.

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France are updating the forms, the English ones are not done yet, however looking at the French ones, a compelling reason is needed to exit France. Brits can only enter France from the UK if they have an appropriate job. 

ttps://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actualites/L-actu-du-Ministere/Certificate-of-international-travel

The only realistic option if you need to go to France is to go via another European Country and stay 14 days there.

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13 hours ago, Le Quiberon said:

Is this assuming that only vaccinated people can travel?

How do they guard against passengers buying test documents on Amazon? Even the advance G7 delegation from one country had 2 members with false test documents.

Qantas have said they would rather not fly than have unvaccinated passengers spoil the whole thing over again.

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Found info on French Govt website that looked new but it was dated 23rd April. So have deleted it.

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The new forms have been translated now, basically we are banned from going to France directly from the UK, we have a special category.

https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actualites/L-actu-du-Ministere/Certificate-of-international-travel

The French figures are looking good !

Spain will be doing it’s fortnightly review at the end of week, must be a reasonable chance that will not be good news for us,

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3 hours ago, David Williams said:

we are banned

Unless you have a "compelling reason". So not banned. Restricted severely by all means.

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6 minutes ago, colin said:

Unless you have a "compelling reason". So not banned. Restricted severely by all means.

From France to the UK the compelling reason include family emergencies etc, from UK to France you must be a European resident or have work reasons:
 

Hereby certify that my reason for travel is for one of the following compelling reasons (tick the appropriate box):

[  ]  1. French citizens, their spouses (married, civil union and cohabiting) and their children.

[  ]  2. Citizens of the European Union or equivalent, their spouse (married, civil union or cohabiting partner) and their children, whose main residence is in France or who are in transit through France on the return trip to their main residence in a European Union country or equivalent or to a country whose nationality they hold;

[  ]  3. Citizens of other countries with a valid French or European residence permit or long-stay visa, whose main residence is in France or who are in transit through France on the return trip to their main residence in a European Union country or similar country.

[  ]  4. British citizens and their family members who are eligible under the agreement for the withdrawal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from the European Union and the European Atomic Energy Community.

[  ]  5. Citizens of other countries holding a long-stay visa issued for the purpose of family reunion or reunification of refugee families, beneficiaries of subsidiary protection and stateless persons.

[  ]  6. Foreign health or research professionals engaged in the fight against COVID-19, their spouse (married, civil partner, cohabiting partner upon presentation of proof of community of life) and their children.

[  ]  6bis. Foreign health or research professional engaged as an associate trainee.

[  ]  7. Citizens of other countries with a Passeport Talent” (talent passport) long-stay visa (LSV), their spouse (married, civil union or cohabiting partner upon presentation of proof of cohabitation) and their children.

[  ]  8. Students enrolled in French as a foreign language (FLE) courses prior to enrolment in a higher education institution, or who have passed the oral examinations in French higher education institutions or enrolled to start the 2021-2022 academic year. Researchers settling in France on invitation by a research laboratory, for research activities requiring physical presence, their spouse (married, civil union, cohabiting partner on presentation of proof of community of life) and their children.

[  ]  9. Workers in the land, sea and air transport sector or transport service providers, including drivers of any vehicle carrying goods for use in the territory, as well as those merely transiting or travelling as passengers in order to establish themselves or train at their home base.

[  ]  10. Foreign citizens working for a diplomatic or consular mission, or an international organisation with its headquarters or an office in France, as well as their spouse and their children or a foreign citizen of a third country staying in France for a compelling professional reason under a mission order issued by their country of origin;

[  ]  11. Traveller in transit in the international zone for less than 24 hours.

[  ]  12. British officials discharging their duties, border police officers and customs officers.

[  ]  13. Channel Tunnel staff (engaged inter alia in operations, maintenance, security) or cross-Channel facilities staff.

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I have run out of Carte Noir, Lambig, Pelforth, Sur Lie, all lifes essentials.

Thats not "compelling" it's catastrophic.

It's not like I can dash out for 6 months supplies either, with customs limits I might need to book a crossing once a week.

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Although some medical people are talking about a 'third wave' in UK infections, for the moment at least it seems to be concentrated in 'hot spots'. The locality and specific local rates down here in SW Surrey and surrounding areas are showing minimal if any infections and have been doing so for a while now.  Of course the 'hot spots' are being more intensively tested and so are likely to throw up more positives but it does seem that the average UK infection rate conceals a significant patchwork of  incidence of infection.

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27 minutes ago, cvabishop said:

Although some medical people are talking about a 'third wave' in UK infections, for the moment at least it seems to be concentrated in 'hot spots'.

Trouble is for travel the national rates are relevant. The UK has gone up from 22.3 to 28.6 cases per 100,000 in 7 days,

 

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Trouble is for travel the national rates are relevant. The UK has gone up from 22.3 to 28.6 cases per 100,000 in 7 days,

Yes, and you are right, this colours the international response., It also reinforces the need to get localised infection rates down which appear to be a combination of vaccination reluctance and social issues such as multigenerational families and the the lack of working from home options in certain communities.

Plus there is a disturbing proportion of front line NHS staff who have not come forward to take their vaccinations.

All this is inevitably going to delay the general opening up within the UK.

I am not basically in favour of enforced vaccinations but the 'anti vaxxer' proponents do have a lot to answer for. There is a member of my family (who lives in France) and is firmly in the 'away with the fairies' camp in embracing all the ridiculous dogma about  the effects of vaccinations. We consider his stance to be both ridiculous and dangerous but he 'knows' he is right and is totally unreceptive to any arguments to the contrary.

Blame him and his ilk plus gullible readers for your lost Continental holidays.

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What are more dangerous are these fanatic medics popping up with doom and gloom stories,regurgitated by the compliant media...They never get asked what the Hospital admission rate is, or what the death rates are..That would floor them..These were the ones telling us Vaccinations are the answer, now apparently they aren't. The Indian variety transmits more readily but is dealt with by the jabs and the science indicates that onward transmission is low..

The present hysteria by these medics is reaching crescendo level as the Government reaches nearer to June 21st...smell a rat????

 

 

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Apparently the WHO has decided to change the way it refers to new variants of Covid-19 by giving them a letter of the Greek alphabet. Hence the UK (Kent) strain is Alpha, the South African strain is Beta, the Brazilian strain is Gamma and the Indian strain is Delta. If they get past 24 they will find a new solution. 

I think they should just use the NATO phonetic alphabet right now which would give them 26 choices:

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Anything from Italy which starts but then stalls before making progress can be Alpha

Anything that mutates in a clever way can be Bravo

The new Vietnamese strain can be Charlie

Anything from Egypt can be Delta

Anything that dies out but then stages a comeback later on can be Echo

Anything which flows smoothly around the world can be Foxtrot

The UK strain can be Golf (with Whisky still available if the Scots want to contribute later)

Anything emerging from a quarantine facility can be Hotel

The Indian strain can be, er, India

Anything which mutates into a STI between lovers can be called Juliet in women (see below)

Anything that develops a thousand new cases per day can be Kilo

If another Latin American strain (see below) is detected it can be Lima

Any variant which has a smooth head, without all the protein spikes sticking out of it, but instead has a long, thick tail can be Mike

Anything found as a consequence of Thanksgiving/Black Friday lapses in social distancing can be November

Anything which tries to be too inclusive of ethnic minorities can be Oscar

Anything from the Vatican can be Papa

Anything from Canada can be Quebec

Romeo - a male version of Juliet above

Anything from a mountainous region can be Sierra

Anything from Latin America (such as the Brazilian strain) can be Tango

Anything originating from the military can be Uniform

The final dominant strain which we learn to live with can be Victor 

Whisky (see above)

The Chinese original can be X-ray if proved to have escaped from a laboratory

Anything from the USA can be Yankee

Anything from South Africa can be Zulu

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I'll have the latest figures for France in an hour or so but the situation is improving all the time. There are 6 departments in the South West which are causing concern apparently. I have no idea if the proximity to Spain has any bearing on the figures but only one actually shares a border. 

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Politics seems to be taking over and the underlying situation remains confused.

Here in SW Surrey reported infection rates remain negligible but in the 'hot spot' of Bolton they  are 50 times as much. So I am happy to swan about locally with the usual masking stipulations and feel pretty safe really  as someone with two jabs under their belt. Realistically we could probably return to normal here. But that doesn't seem to be the case elsewhere or abroad. So what's to do?

The fundamental issue in Western Europe seems to be in achieving a common levelling up to permit life returning to normal but it remains to be seen how long that will take.

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50 minutes ago, cvabishop said:

Politics seems to be taking over and the underlying situation remains confused.

Here in SW Surrey reported infection rates remain negligible but in the 'hot spot' of Bolton they  are 50 times as much. So I am happy to swan about locally with the usual masking stipulations and feel pretty safe really  as someone with two jabs under their belt. Realistically we could probably return to normal here. But that doesn't seem to be the case elsewhere or abroad. So what's to do?

The fundamental issue in Western Europe seems to be in achieving a common levelling up to permit life returning to normal but it remains to be seen how long that will take.

Europe is improving, however the  main variant is the Kent one, the Indian one does not seem to be significant there yet.

No great surprise that we were not put on the European white list today. Our rates are not good.

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17 minutes ago, PGTV said:

No Spain on green list apparently…

Seems like nothing is going green, but possibly some going the other way.

Considering that the virus isn't going away, and there will always be new variants, when will we be able to go abroad...?

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Something is not adding up

Portugal seems likely to loose the green status as their numbers gone up - because of the football fans, but hang on. All these fans needed a PCR test - and had to be negative to travel to Portugal?

to answer the above - if people allow governments to do what they want - the answer is a very very long time. They are already coming up with new excuses - Peru variant, Indonesia variant. Just think of a country and add variant…

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