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EUROFERRIES: Ramsgate to Boulogne

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So its about time the people who had the complaint upheld against and who seem to be at it again should be given custodial sentences to act to deter them from keep doing this.

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Interesting. Wonder what DFDS are thinking. Not Calais certainly - once they finally get Rodin and Berlioz, they will have to operate out of Dover. Would they think of shifting the Dunkerque service to Ramsgate? Not a lot wrong with that out of Dover is there? Or are they thinking in terms of something new?

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Ramsgate always has the disadvantage of the longer trip, whereas you can't charge higher rates for it. I cannot imagine an established operator of moving there.

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Pity Nova Star has the problems she has, as she would make a good BF ship on the Portsmouth - Le Havre service, replacing Etretat. Be a bit ironic ax that was the route she was intended for...

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Pity Nova Star has the problems she has, as she would make a good BF ship on the Portsmouth - Le Havre service, replacing Etretat. Be a bit ironic ax that was the route she was intended for...

Has she had any problems since she entered service?

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Not that I know of - but I mean why she didn't end up doing the route she was intendd for - deadweight issues. Those problems are what I mean. If configured properly, no reason why she couldn't ply a Channel route.

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Ramsgate always has the disadvantage of the longer trip, whereas you can't charge higher rates for it. I cannot imagine an established operator of moving there.

Unless they are looking to go to Holland/Zeebrugge. Isnt Ramsgate to Vlissingen the short way to Holland?

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A Ramsgate to Belgium/Holland route makes a lot of sense and there is a gap in the market. Harwich, Hull, Newcastle aren't that convenient for those living in the south. Boulogne is completely nonsensical and would never be made into a viable route. Although it would be nice to see direct ferries to Boulogne run once more.

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I agree there is a gap, and the Ostend route is obviously tried and tested. As far as a route to Holland goes, I would think that is going to take a good 5 hours from Ramsgate, possibly more. If 5 then a service based on 3 sailings a day each way with two ships could work, along the lines of the old TT Felixstowe-Zeebrugge service when it was in the hands of the Super Vikings. Question is, if you are going to go for that sort of length crossing wouldn't going for the 7 hour option out of Sheerness not be preferable? Revive the old Olau route? Would save the long trek down the A2 and then across to Ramsgate. Or maybe the fiddly journey up across the Swale and through Sheppey would take just as long and might as well push on to Ramsgate. More infrastructure at Ramsgate for ferries these days, although for a fully fledged passenger operation I'd think they'd pretty much need totally rebuilding.

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I bought a book a while ago about the Olau Line from Sheerness, and it obviously had a very brief period of success, but mostly terminally declined to the point where it was no longer viable. The infrastructure at Sheerness just simply isn't good enough (relying on a bridge which occasionally gets knocked out) and the whole 'island' still has an 'out of the way' feel about it despite the fact Ramsgate is obviously further to travel. The infrastructure is there at Ramsgate. The roads were improved just as Sally Line and the Oostende Line operations were ailing and the port infrastructure is probably in fairly decent condition, give or take a bit of a touch up. Thanet Council needs to do more to advertise the benefits of Ramsgate as a port. The days of Sally Line gave the town a real vitality and holiday feel. Looking over the disused port now it's very sad.

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The more I think about it, the more a Ramsgate to Vlissingen service would make so much sense. Probably more sense than an Ostend service actually, nowadays. Provided the right ships were used, and facilities at Ramsgate kept up with their operational requirements, such a service could be a real alternative choice to Harwich-Hook for anyone living in the southeast. And it would also have the advantage of being able to operate a third sailing a day in each direction with the same number of ships.

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For me, one of the biggest attractions in the area has to be Bruges, the amount of traffic I see heading up the E40 suggests that this is a preferred destination, or one of the specialised Belgian tobacco outlets.

 

Point is, if Bruges​ is only 90 mins from Calais, far less from Dunkerque, is there a need for a ferry to Ostend or another to a Dutch port?

 

Heading southwest from Vlissingen can be a bit of a bottle neck and for the longer but quicker route a traveller has to pay a toll... Holland is catered for easily from the north, the south and centrally via Hull plus another carrier in the southeast region would surely compromise Stena?

 

Would Ramsgate to Cruxhaven be realistic? Even though DFDS have pulled out of Harwich, there are many British travellers wishing to travel further north into Germany and onward to Scandinavia. I would assume that Ramsgate would offer preferential berthing fees to a carrier willing to showcase what they have to offer?

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Something that has been missed, she will be useless on most cross channel services for the very reason LD rejected her.... Deadweight issues are still u resolved and means she can only carry 38 trucks, absolutely useless on a freight dominated market.

 

I'm also curious where £3.5m bond has come from. A companies search reveals the following regarding the sole director.

 

 

Director Overview Adrian Gillan holds 4 appointments at 4 active companies, has resigned from 1 companies and held 4 appointments at 4 dissolved companies. Adrian began their first appointment at the age of 31. Their longest current appointment spans 10 years and 5 months at COMPLAINTS ONLINE LIMITED. The combined cash at bank value for all businesses where Adrian holds a current appointment equals £0, with a combined total current assets value of £0 and total current liabilities of £210,473. Roles associated with Adrian Gillan within the recorded businesses include: Director, Company Secretary

 

No cash, no assets and almost quarter million in liabilities across all his companies. Euroferries and Euroferries express are both dormant companies which will be costing the director £13 a year each to keep registered as dormant companies.

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Something that has been missed, she will be useless on most cross channel services for the very reason LD rejected her.... Deadweight issues are still u resolved and means she can only carry 38 trucks, absolutely useless on a freight dominated market.

 

I'm also curious where £3.5m bond has come from. A companies search reveals the following regarding the sole director.

 

 

 

 

No cash, no assets and almost quarter million in liabilities across all his companies. Euroferries and Euroferries express are both dormant companies which will be costing the director £13 a year each to keep registered as dormant companies.

 

Basically insolvent then?

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How would deadweight issues be resolved?

 

 

Extensive modifications would have to be made to the hull. Usually deadweight issues are resolved by cutting the hull in two and adding a new section inbetween the two halves to increase the hull capacity. This requires a lot of work and could also cause stability issues. Not an issue that can be resolved easily.

Edited by Kasabian

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I feel that the Nova-Star will complete the line for which it was built: Le Havre / Portsmouth.

 

Instead of Brittany Ferries manager's, I will do everythings to replace Etretat by that ferry traffic perfectly suited to Le Havre / Portsmouth service's comparable MV Normandie.

 

 

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I feel that the Nova-Star will complete the line for which it was built: Le Havre / Portsmouth.

 

Instead of Brittany Ferries manager's, I will do everythings to replace Etretat by that ferry traffic perfectly suited to Le Havre / Portsmouth service's comparable MV Normandie.

 

 

It at present isn't suitable for such a freight orientated route. It can only carry 38 trucks due to a manufacturing fault. Any more would become dangerous due to the deadweight issues.

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As she's plying her trade up in the Gulf of Maine due to significant investment from the government I don't think she'll be heading south anytime soon.

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It at present isn't suitable for such a freight orientated route. It can only carry 38 trucks due to a manufacturing fault. Any more would become dangerous due to the deadweight issues.

 

the initial capacity of NORMAN LEADER was 44 trucks and 400 cars (or 67 trucks and 200 cars)...there is just a difference of 6 trucks !

 

Actualily MV ETRETAT is 200 cars maxi. There's always over 40 trucks in the Etretat ? I don't thinks.

 

So if NOVA STAR is operatd on Boulogne / Ramsgate, we can think that there will be a similar Freight traffic like Le Havre / Portsmouth ?

 

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So if NOVA STAR is operatd on Boulogne / Ramsgate, we can think that there will be a similar Freight traffic like Le Havre / Portsmouth ?

 

IT wont operate this route. Its all talk as Euroferries have been for 7 years, no investors no funding no possibilities. The French port have fallen for it, the English port authority have seen it for what it is and laughed at it.

 

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